From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13489 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mule-begot problems Date: 07 Jan 1998 08:56:05 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199801062012.VAA31638@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.105) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152846 9528 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:27:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13628 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:05:35 -0800 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (root@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA12258 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:04:07 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAH16291; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:04:16 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 07 Jan 1998 02:02:04 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16276 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:01:57 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 13284 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 1998 08:01:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 13281 invoked from network); 7 Jan 1998 08:01:40 -0000 Original-Received: from abel.metis.no (HELO gw.metis.no) (193.90.64.1) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 08:01:39 -0000 Original-Received: by gw.metis.no (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15392; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:01:07 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by metis.no (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24120; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:01:05 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by norne.oslo.metis.no (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA11074; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:56:05 +0100 (MET) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "06 Jan 1998 15:16:32 -0500" Original-Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.15/Emacs 19.34 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13489 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13489 >>>>> Stainless Steel Rat : >>>>> "FP" == Fabrice Popineau writes: FP> Why should 8bits data be encoded in 7bits if the right Mime headers are FP> stated ? > Because the MIME specifications say it should, because there are a lot of > MTAs out there that are not "8-bit clean". > Can you say "legacy system"? > That is why all of the RFC 822 extensions that address 8-bit data specify > that it should be encoded into a 7-bit format before transmission. Actually, I've been using this technique since I first started using MIME in 1993, ie. mark text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 as 8bit, and let the MTA and the recipient worry about the rest. The reason? Our (ie. the Norwegian email community's) legacy at that time, was to use ISO8859-1 characters and just-send-8. If I started using q-p (or base64 for that matter) on plain text with Norwegian characters, my correctly marked up article was perceived as broken. Today I currently have MTAs that does the breaking for me, unless the MTA they're talking to speaks ESMTP and understands 8BITMIME. What happens after the first MTA, I don't worry about. - Steinar