Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

I think, by golly, that the RFC1522 encoding now works under the
MULEs.  

Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/pgnus.tar.gz> or
"/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/patches/pgnus-0.8-0.9.diff.gz>.

ChangeLog since last release:

Sun Aug 30 17:46:01 1998  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@menja.ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released.

1998-08-30 16:13:08  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@gnus.org>

	* mm-util.el: Shadow encode-coding-string.

	* base64.el (base64-encode-region): Don't add newline.

	* rfc1522.el (rfc1522-narrow-to-field): Copied here.

	* mm-util.el: New file.

	* mm-decode.el: Somewhat depleted.
	* mm-encode.el: Ditto.

	* rfc1522.el: New file.

	* mm-util.el (mm-replace-chars-in-string): Copied here.

	* mm-encode.el (mm-q-encode-region): New function.

	* qp.el (quoted-printable-encode-region): Take an optional CLASS
	param. 

	* mm-encode.el (mm-encode-word-region): Downcase.



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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[=?iso-8859-2?q?Hrvoje.Nik=B9i=E6?=]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

If they do, my name should come out correctly.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Here, at least (which isn't necessarily saying anything, because
anything could be wrong with my setup) it didn't. In pgnus I got
Hrvoje.Nik¹iæ. (In xconsole, OTOH, I got Hrvoje.Nik9if).

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"There can be no transforming of darkness into light and 
 of apathy into movement without emotion." - Carl Jung

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hrvoje.Nik~i~@public.srce.hr writes:

> > Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.
> 
> If they do, my name should come out correctly.

They don't.  I get:

(4) (font/warning) Unable to instantiate font for face gnus-header-from-face, charset latin-iso8859-2

What does that mean?  

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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Bjørn Mork]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

wouldn't reading RFC2045-49 be better?
 

Bjørn
.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Richard Coleman]

> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

RFC-1521/1522 has been obsoleted by RFC2045-RFC2049.  There
is an appendix in RFC2049 that describes the differences
between the two sets.

--
Richard Coleman
coleman@math.gatech.edu

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Aaron M. Ucko]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

Better yet, how about reading RFCs 2047, 2184, and 2231?

-- 
Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC <amu@mit.edu> (finger amu@monk.mit.edu)

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Bjørn Mork" <bmork@dod.no> writes:

> > Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.
> 
> wouldn't reading RFC2045-49 be better?

Perhaps, but from what I can see in the appendix of RFC2049, the
changes in the area covered by RFC1522 are slight, indeed.  In fact,
the appendix gives the impression that they've mostly fixed typos,
added examples and tightened the BNF.  

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Are we all done beating on Larsi now? I think he's got the point.

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"There can be no transforming of darkness into light and 
 of apathy into movement without emotion." - Carl Jung

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Shuhei KOBAYASHI]

>>>>> In <m37lzqmq0i.fsf@sparky.gnus.org>,
>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

You should read RFC2047 (and RFC2231) instead :-)

-- 
Shuhei KOBAYASHI / <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

amu@mit.edu (Aaron M. Ucko) writes:

> Better yet, how about reading RFCs 2047, 2184, and 2231?

Do anyone sell _The Collected RFCs_ in book form?  I like reading
things on paper, and I don't have a sooper-speedy printer.

I suspect that such a book would be big enough to stun several oxen,
though. 

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> They don't.  I get:
> 
> (4) (font/warning) Unable to instantiate font for face gnus-header-from-face, charset latin-iso8859-2
> 
> What does that mean?  

AFAIK it means you don't have an iso-8859-2 font installed in X. It doesn't
seem to matter, though, because I do have one; it just doesn't seem to 
be getting used. Did Steve Baur step out for breakfast? He usually
groks this stuff ...

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Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA 
mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
"There can be no transforming of darkness into light and 
 of apathy into movement without emotion." - Carl Jung

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hrvoje.Nik~i~@public.srce.hr writes:
> 
> > > Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.
> > 
> > If they do, my name should come out correctly.
> 
> They don't.  I get:
> 
> (4) (font/warning) Unable to instantiate font for face gnus-header-from-face, charset latin-iso8859-2
> 
> What does that mean?

That you don't have iso-8859-2 fonts?

Do you see tildes, or do you see latin1 chars, as Michael does?

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> That you don't have iso-8859-2 fonts?

Right.  Where do I fetch them from?  And how come I have Japanese
fonts and not iso-8859-2 fonts on this machine?  :-)

> Do you see tildes, or do you see latin1 chars, as Michael does?

I see tildes.

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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net> writes:

> AFAIK it means you don't have an iso-8859-2 font installed in X. It doesn't
> seem to matter, though, because I do have one; it just doesn't seem to 
> be getting used.

Am I the only person the RFC2047 de/encoding works for?  This message
has an X-Header-With-Japanese-Text header up there.  Does it look OK
under MULE-enabled Emacsen, or is it totally garbled?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Bruce Stephens]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> 
> > That you don't have iso-8859-2 fonts?
> 
> Right.  Where do I fetch them from?  And how come I have Japanese
> fonts and not iso-8859-2 fonts on this machine?  :-)

Hmm.  The only iso-8859-2 fonts that I have seem to be produced by
xfsft (a TrueType font server), from the Microsoft provided fonts.

The catch is that for these particular fonts (in their core set), you
need to use one of their operating systems, since they've chosen to
package them up in an executable that's not a self-extracting zip
file.  But having done that, you can just copy the fonts across and
things work properly.  Doubtless there are other sources.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> 
> > That you don't have iso-8859-2 fonts?
> 
> Right.  Where do I fetch them from?

No idea.  I have them on my font server, but not many.  I usually
choose the font that has an -8859-2 version.  For example, you can try 
this in your .Xdefaults:

XEmacs.default.attributeFont:		-*--medium-r-medium-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso8859-*
XEmacs.italic.attributeFont:		-*--medium-i-medium-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso8859-*
XEmacs.bold.attributeFont:		-*--medium-b-medium-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso8859-*

> > Do you see tildes, or do you see latin1 chars, as Michael does?
> 
> I see tildes.

Then, with the warning you get, the Gnus code is probably correct.
Michael is getting the iso-8859-1 characters, which means something is 
wrong in Lisp, for him.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I suspect that such a book would be big enough to stun several oxen,
> though. 

Or gnus.

-- 
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mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
"There can be no transforming of darkness into light and 
 of apathy into movement without emotion." - Carl Jung

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Right.  Where do I fetch them from?

>From ftp.xemacs.org, under /pub/tux/xemacs/beta/mule-aux/fonts.

-- 
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[SL Baur]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:

> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>> That you don't have iso-8859-2 fonts?

> Right.  Where do I fetch them from?

The best thing to do is install the full set of Mule fonts.

	 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/intlfonts.tar

You will need to inform the X server about the new font directories
with `xset fp+ <directory>' the first time.  For the long-term it's
best to enter all the directories in your XF86Config or whatever it is 
called on your system.  Something like:

Section "Files"
   RgbPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Cyrillic/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Arabic/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Greek/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Hebrew/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Indian/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Japanese/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Korean/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin1/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin2/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin3/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin4/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin5/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Latin6/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Thai/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Urdu/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Vietnamese/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Chinese-Big5/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Chinese-CNS/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Chinese-GB/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Chinese-Other/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Ethiopic/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/IPA/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Persian/"
    FontPath    "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/"

(I like having any font I might need available :-).

> And how come I have Japanese fonts and not iso-8859-2 fonts on this
> machine?  :-)

I don't know.  How strange.  I don't see any iso-8859-2 in my XFree
3.3.2 source tree, but I do see plenty of Kanji fonts.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[SL Baur]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:
 ...
> Am I the only person the RFC2047 de/encoding works for?  This message
> has an X-Header-With-Japanese-Text header up there.  Does it look OK
> under MULE-enabled Emacsen, or is it totally garbled?

Less garbled than only partially decoded.  It looks like it's trying to
be iso-2022-jp ...

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

> The best thing to do is install the full set of Mule fonts.
> 
> 	 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/intlfonts.tar

I never knew such a thing existed; but now, having looked the full
archive is intlfonts-1.1.tar.gz. There are also split pieces
available.

-- 
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mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
  Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net> writes:

> I never knew such a thing existed; but now, having looked the full
> archive is intlfonts-1.1.tar.gz. There are also split pieces
> available.

Oh, and it's 19.1 MB ...

-- 
Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA 
mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
 "Censorship is the strongest drive in human nature; 
  sex is a weak second." -- Phil Kerby

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:

> Hm...  Perhaps I should have read RFC1522 before starting.  Nah.

Er...no... you should have read RFC2047.

It's eg. here
	ftp://ftp.ntnu.no/pub/rfc/rfc2047.txt
(fairly close to you networkswise)

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net>:

> Are we all done beating on Larsi now? I think he's got the point.

I should have continued down the thread before I posted.

Sorry!

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

> Less garbled than only partially decoded.  It looks like it's trying to
> be iso-2022-jp ...

Isn't that what it's supposed to be?

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

> The best thing to do is install the full set of Mule fonts.
> 
> 	 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/intlfonts.tar

Thanks; will do.

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[SL Baur]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:

> SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
>> Less garbled than only partially decoded.  It looks like it's trying to
>> be iso-2022-jp ...

> Isn't that what it's supposed to be?

That's what it's supposed to be, but it isn't being encoded/decoded? 
into Japanese letters.  The raw escape codes showing through look like
ISO-2022.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

> That's what it's supposed to be, but it isn't being encoded/decoded? 
> into Japanese letters.  The raw escape codes showing through look like
> ISO-2022.

Hm.  What the code does is basically calling `decode-coding-string'
with the charset and the decoded string, and inserting what is
returned.  Like so:

(defun rfc2047-decode (charset encoding string)
  "Decode STRING as an encoded text.
Valid ENCODINGs are \"B\" and \"Q\".
If your Emacs implementation can't decode CHARSET, it returns nil."
  (let ((cs (mm-charset-to-coding-system charset)))
    (when cs
      (mm-decode-coding-string
       (cond
	((equal "B" encoding)
	 (base64-decode string))
	((equal "Q" encoding)
	 (quoted-printable-decode-string
	  (mm-replace-chars-in-string string ?_ ? )))
	(t (error "Invalid encoding: %s" encoding)))
       cs))))

Uh.  If you use the `W M w' command, that is.  It turned out that I
had that function in my gnus-article-display-hook.  Oops.

I've now added that to the default gnus-article-display-hook, though. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Installing new fonts

[Jean-Yves Perrier]

Sorry about this neophyt question:

If I redirect my display, on which machine should I add the new fonts: the one emacs is
running or the one emacs is displayed?

Thank you,
-- 
Jean-Yves Perrier

Re: Installing new fonts

[SL Baur]

Jean-Yves Perrier <perrier@nagra-kudelski.ch> writes in ding@gnus.org:

> If I redirect my display, on which machine should I add the new
> fonts: the one emacs is running or the one emacs is displayed?

Assuming "add" == untar the font tarballs.

Do it on the machine the X server is running on (unless you're using
a font server in which case they should be untarred on the machine
the font server is running) or in directories that are NFS (or the
equivalent) mounted on the machine the X server is running on.

The font directories need to be visible to the X server somehow,
regardless of how the display is redirected.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Haberzettl]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Uh.  If you use the `W M w' command, that is.  It turned out that I
> had that function in my gnus-article-display-hook.  Oops.
> 
> I've now added that to the default gnus-article-display-hook, though. 

Hmm. For 0.11? With 0.10, I still have to type 'W M w' to get the
japanese letters. Then it works perfectly though. 

Kai

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:

> > I've now added that to the default gnus-article-display-hook, though. 
> 
> Hmm. For 0.11?

Yup.

> With 0.10, I still have to type 'W M w' to get the
> japanese letters. Then it works perfectly though. 

Phew!  I was starting to think I was hallucinating...

Not that that's a bad thing.  :-)

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Grossjohann]

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>>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:

  Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.

*Very* nice!  Only the ‚¹ and the ‚æ aren't highlighted as if they
belonged to an email address...  Oh, well.

kai
-- 
OOP: object oriented programming;  OOPS: object oriented mistakes

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:

  Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.

Very nice!  They display correctly, but replying to this address
doesn't work :-(

kai
-- 
OOP: object oriented programming;  OOPS: object oriented mistakes

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen said:

  Lars> Right.  Where do I fetch them from?  And how come I have
  Lars> Japanese fonts and not iso-8859-2 fonts on this machine?  :-)

I've got the GNU intlfonts package, very nice.

kai
-- 
OOP: object oriented programming;  OOPS: object oriented mistakes

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> >>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:
> 
>   Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.
> 
> Very nice!  They display correctly, but replying to this address
> doesn't work :-(

That's because I screwed up.  I meant to write:

~From: MIME-JUNK <hniksic@srce.hr>

...only I forgot the `<hniksic@srce.hr>' part, so sendmail decided to
play doctor and fill it in for me.

The important part is that you can *see* the latter correctly!

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
What is mind?  No matter.
What is matter?  Never mind.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Harnois]

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Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> >>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:
> 
>   Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.
> 
> *Very* nice!  Only the ‚¹ and the ‚æ aren't highlighted as if they
> belonged to an email address...  Oh, well.

Oh, crap. It's working for you. Then why isn't it working for me?

-- 
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mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

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Kai Grossjohann writes:

> *Very* nice!

Well, not quite...

> Only the \202¹ and the \202æ aren't highlighted (...)
           ^^^^^         ^^^^^

Related to this, maybe?
  gnus-art.el:    (set-buffer-multibyte t))
  gnus-msg.el:      (set-buffer-multibyte t)))
  message.el:    (set-buffer-multibyte t))
Lars, please tell us that's just temporary code to make us test
gnus+MULE...

-- 
Hallvard

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> >>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:
> 
>   Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.
> 
> *Very* nice!  Only the ‚š and the ‚ć

Utter f*king bogosity!  The infamous \202 strikes again!  Your
messsage is totally bogus.  It contains no content-type, which means
it should default to something like text/plain with us-ascii or
iso-8859-1 charset.  It also means that `\202š' and `\202ć' mean
*nothing*!

:-(

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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

> Lars, please tell us that's just temporary code to make us test
> gnus+MULE...

It's just temporary code to make you test Pterodactyl MULE.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[François Pinard]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> écrit:

> Utter f*king bogosity!  The infamous \202 strikes again!

Hey, hey, hey!  I never got any \202 problems! :-)  But I have \201's :-(.

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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Hrvoje Niksic]

François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> écrit:
> 
> > Utter f*king bogosity!  The infamous \202 strikes again!
> 
> Hey, hey, hey!  I never got any \202 problems! :-)  But I have
> \201's :-(.

Actually, you don't, at least not in this message:

> François Pinard                            mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca
      ^ <-- no \201

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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Stephen Zander]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
    Lars> Am I the only person the RFC2047 de/encoding works for?
    Lars> This message has an X-Header-With-Japanese-Text header up
    Lars> there.  Does it look OK under MULE-enabled Emacsen, or is it
    Lars> totally garbled?

For a possibly unrelated data point: I see the japanese characters in
the headers, not the escapes.

For the details of my setup see my headers :)

-- 
Stephen
---
Perl is really designed more for the guys that will hack Perl at least
20 minutes a day for the rest of their career.  TCL/Python is more a
"20 minutes a week", and VB is probably in that "20 minutes a month"
group. :) -- Randal Schwartz

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> On 31 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Niksic said:

  Hrvoje> Utter f*king bogosity!  The infamous \202 strikes again!
  Hrvoje> Your messsage is totally bogus.

Does that mean I did something wrong?

kai
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> Does that mean I did something wrong?

No; you were posting with a version of Gnus that didn't encode the
bodies.  All better now.  I think.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Andrew J Cosgriff]

>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrvoje> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
>> >>>>> On 30 Aug 1998, Hrvoje Nik said:
>> 
Hrvoje> If they do, my name should come out correctly.

Kai> Very nice!  They display correctly, but replying to this address
Kai> doesn't work :-(

[...]

Hrvoje> The important part is that you can *see* the latter correctly!

Yep, very nice.  Now all I need to do is make TrueType fonts work for
it so it doesn't pick a different font for the non-english characters,
right in the middle of a word - I've been using xfstt which does only
one encoding type at a time :(

I tried xfsft yesterday, but the font sizes were all screwed up and it 
didn't seem to scale fonts at all in netscape (everything was the same 
size...)

(Tahoma makes a nice default font in XEmacs, I've found...)

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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> On 01 Sep 1998, Andrew J Cosgriff said:

  ajc> Yep, very nice.  Now all I need to do is make TrueType fonts
  ajc> work for it so it doesn't pick a different font for the
  ajc> non-english characters, right in the middle of a word - I've
  ajc> been using xfstt which does only one encoding type at a time :(

I'm happy with the GNU intlfonts package.  Some no-frills fonts, but
beautiful in their simplicity.

kai
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Andrew J Cosgriff]

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

>>>>> On 01 Sep 1998, Andrew J Cosgriff said:
ajc> Yep, very nice.  Now all I need to do is make TrueType fonts
ajc> work for it so it doesn't pick a different font for the
ajc> non-english characters, right in the middle of a word - I've
ajc> been using xfstt which does only one encoding type at a time :(

Kai> I'm happy with the GNU intlfonts package.  Some no-frills fonts, but
Kai> beautiful in their simplicity.

Sure, they work ok, but it's aesthetically displeasing to have
font-changes in the middle of a word like so :


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

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--Multipart_Tue_Sep__1_10:24:50_1998-1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I notice on slashdot.org that there's a third TrueType font server
now...

I'll just have to try and make xfsft work for me some time, I guess.
Unless Mr xfstt can make it serve multiple encodings at once...

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--Multipart_Tue_Sep__1_10:24:50_1998-1--

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Andrew J Cosgriff]

>>>>> "ajc" == Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc@bing.wattle.id.au> writes:

ajc> I'll just have to try and make xfsft work for me some time, I
ajc> guess.  Unless Mr xfstt can make it serve multiple encodings at
ajc> once...

As uaual, I spoke too soon - it turns out I can do (for example) :

xfstt --encoding iso8859-1,iso8859-2

(I thought I could only list one encoding type there)

...and it all works groovily.

Yay !

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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Haberzettl]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:

> > With 0.10, I still have to type 'W M w' to get the
> > japanese letters. Then it works perfectly though. 
> 
> Phew!  I was starting to think I was hallucinating...

With 0.13 the japanese characters are gone again. Instead I get 
[**iso-2022-jp charset **] 日本語

Kai

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Michael Welsh Duggan]

Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 
> > Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:
> 
> > > With 0.10, I still have to type 'W M w' to get the
> > > japanese letters. Then it works perfectly though. 
> > 
> > Phew!  I was starting to think I was hallucinating...
> 
> With 0.13 the japanese characters are gone again. Instead I get 
> [**iso-2022-jp charset **] 日本語

Even after a `W M c' or a `M-t'?  Japanese glyphs were displayed for
me in your post...

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(md5i@cs.cmu.edu)
.

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Bill White]

I've added gnus-article-decode-charset to my
gnus-article-display-hook, which works great, and I'm using the
"fixed" font, which is a rather small, very pleasing sans-serif.

The Japanese characters below display as 3 empty boxes when I'm in the
fixed font. When I switch to the atrociously ugly standard fontset via
the menu item "Mule->Set Font/Fontset->Fontset->standard: 16-dot
medium", I can see the 3 J characters in their full glory.

Is it possible to see the J characters while using the "fixed" font?

I'm using:

- GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i586-unicent-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of Thu Aug 20
  1998 on banshee
- Pterodactyl Gnus v0.11

Thanks -

Bill
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http://www.wolfram.com/~billw

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@cs.cmu.edu> writes:

> Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:
> 
> > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> > 
> > > Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:
> > 
> > > > With 0.10, I still have to type 'W M w' to get the
> > > > japanese letters. Then it works perfectly though. 
> > > 
> > > Phew!  I was starting to think I was hallucinating...
> > 
> > With 0.13 the japanese characters are gone again. Instead I get 
> > [**iso-2022-jp charset **] 日本語
> 
> Even after a `W M c' or a `M-t'?  Japanese glyphs were displayed for
> me in your post...
> 
> -- 
> Michael Duggan
> (md5i@cs.cmu.edu)
> .

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:

> I've added gnus-article-decode-charset to my
> gnus-article-display-hook, which works great, and I'm using the
> "fixed" font, which is a rather small, very pleasing sans-serif.

`gnus-article-decode-charset' is in that hook by default.

> Is it possible to see the J characters while using the "fixed" font?

Uhm.  I think so.  I have this in my .Xdefaults file:

*font: -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1

And that's all the font-twiddling I've done.  (This is on a Red Hat
GNU Linux system.)  And the Japanese glyphs -- 日本語 -- show up all
pretty and stuff.

I guess it's all just a matter of having installed the proper fonts on 
the X server.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

[Kai Haberzettl]

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@cs.cmu.edu> writes:

> Kai Haberzettl <khaberz@synnet.de> writes:

> > With 0.13 the japanese characters are gone again. Instead I get 
> > [**iso-2022-jp charset **] ^[$BF|K\8l^[(B
> 
> Even after a `W M c' or a `M-t'?  

Yes, doesn't help.

> Japanese glyphs were displayed for
> me in your post...

Hmm, not for me. Strange...

Kai