From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/11199 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Croyle Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Never mind Date: 29 May 1997 22:12:59 -0500 Organization: Minimal at best Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035150949 28902 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:55:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from sandy.calag.com (root@sandy [206.190.83.128]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23248 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:06:10 -0700 Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by sandy.calag.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07084 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:06:05 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13093 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:05:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 05:13:09 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 7656 invoked by uid 504); 30 May 1997 03:13:07 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 7653 invoked from network); 30 May 1997 03:13:07 -0000 Original-Received: from sirius.infonex.com (root@206.170.114.2) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 30 May 1997 03:13:06 -0000 Original-Received: from GELEMNA (fw4-45.fwi.com [207.202.57.54]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14658 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of 29 May 1997 23:41:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Original-Lines: 41 Original-Xref: altair.xemacs.org dgnus-list:1589 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11199 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11199 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > This is how it works: > > You set up Gnus as a normal, online-reading newsreader -- the way you > do today. You fiddle until you are happy with how it works. Then you > decide that you want to read articles offline. > > You then press a few magic keys to tell Gnus which servers are to be > covered. You press `J s' to download all the headers to all the > groups from these servers, and some articles from some of the groups > from these servers (and which articles to be downloaded is, of course, > customizable in a gazillion ways (this is Gnus, after all)). You then > press `J j' (which toggles online/offline.) You then hang up the > modem and keep on reading. You won't notice anything different -- all > commands work as before. Ok, I think I see the paradigm that you're working from. Basically the way that you're setting it up Gnus downloads everything that you might reasonably want to read and becomes its own news server. Yhis is a one long pass approach, with a possible second pass to pick up stuff that wasn't pulled down automatically. QWK readers tend to work this way, if I remember correctly. The approach I'm used to seeing in an offline/disconnected reader is a two pass approach. First pass is a quick run through to grab headers, second pass downloads whatever the user has specifically decided to read. This is the approach that I'm used to from TapCIS and OzCIS (Compuserve specific offline readers) as well as Forte Agent. With the two pass approach you control fairly exactly what gets downloaded; with the one pass approach it just sort of happens. The two pass method is less transparent and requires more effort on the part of the user, but it's more efficient. Since my offline reading habits were formed back when I was paying Compuserve US$12.50/hour for 2400 baud and storing things on 720K floppies, I've got a bias towards efficiency. YMMV. -- I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready to make the commitment.