From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74979 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:20:14 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292322043 11154 80.91.229.12 (14 Dec 2010 10:20:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:20:43 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23335@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 14 11:20:37 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSRzo-0003sY-Th for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:20:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSRzd-0002Ae-Ga; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:20:25 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSRzb-0002AP-NZ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:20:23 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSRzW-00053k-Uy for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:20:23 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-ey0-f176.google.com ([209.85.215.176]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSRzV-0002Jb-Tz for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:20:18 +0100 Original-Received: by eyz10 with SMTP id 10so204024eyz.7 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 02:20:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:organization :references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=SzwfYfBrbucoA5AqLdXjQmcxzQuJmT/4NEdm7MijV/M=; b=E004+n3TF3Lt43FXnzxJko/RwRmgHVyQ/UyKOhdk2/5WEvG1cFvlL+GXpES/po4Blb VZU60pIEN1ZWKzNcxaO6q5ksm3bhgCXTT0hmD5w+k83AtOwyrHH348CwsTA+zerliEeB a+nPbnTz5iG9yphVhd5aD+BjWJhm7KxVrC9IQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=A0hBa6Py7Jmn53mPWDTuSqU6Ov0n2EysAlx/WMNIl33olmRzhMHuh4gHvXq/gALJ8+ E4/zGhRc2N3nSlXE5NHdj59vXXzDgifyKAjKKtUKcmChuI4u0mxEtQdu4ohf+8sMLSmF mULliuI8Du/mJRAQii73pwu6bIiE5Z/qr0dKg= Original-Received: by 10.213.26.80 with SMTP id d16mr3458879ebc.55.1292322017312; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 02:20:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b52sm857639eei.1.2010.12.14.02.20.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 14 Dec 2010 02:20:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:43 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74979 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > The mission: To make first-time Gnus usage not suck. > > (Long-term we want to use Assistants, but let's just contemplate Gnus > defaults for the time being.) > > So, created a brand new test user, and I put the following in my .emacs > file: > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "imap.gmail.com")) > > I then `M-x gnus', was prompted for username/password (fine), and then > I'm asked whether I want to save the credentials (fine), and I'm then > dumped into .gpg query hell (not fine, but Ted is fixing that, I think), > and then I'm given a "warning" about a drafts groups being created > (wtf?), and then I'm presented with this: > > *: nndraft:queue > *: nndraft:drafts > > And that's all. > > So, obvious things to fix is: > > 1) get rid of messages saying: > > Setting up drafts group > Warning: Setting up drafts group > > 2) don't create the queue group -- it should be deferred until it's > needed (if ever) > > 3) make sure the draft group is activated, so that it isn't shown. It's > empty, so it shouldn't be > > 4) subscribe all the groups from the primary select method (and activate > them) if the primary select method is a mail method (like nnimap) > > Thoughts? This is a brilliant and long overdue initiative. Getting gnus to work "out of the box" with gmail would win over a lot of people - especially now imap is much more efficient. Its amazing how often gmail issues pop up in #emacs and elsewhere and people tend to give up disillusioned and confused. Nice one.