From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78146 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:26:25 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87zkojjioy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8762r79fb0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871v1uaopg.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87mxkg31mq.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zkofi36k.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87ipv3i051.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301387893 10277 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2011 08:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:38:13 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26457@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Mar 29 10:38:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4URE-0001cL-Q7 for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:38:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4UQa-0000OB-TE; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:37:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4UQZ-0000Ny-1i for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4UQX-0007p6-GJ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:37:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4UQW-0005KY-Ly for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:37:24 +0200 Original-Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so7401bwz.17 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=JUM5lS4m2CwBWAr56QC3EeUSeIF/5Nicr9y4xxNnoKA=; b=TnhdQaazNo4/yeWeT+WkHbUpvx29nUM+GEFv1A9YO8FfvAJFVJsKA+izRrMAgIGC33 +lFU5CiERgMIDMkNQQxwXOcb9mjLsk7xEfpJDqk1AAM+C2r3ixmcNC/ywy1X9PF0/1ka 3LR134VtPC6YQRHZxP2tdv0kSH+dzT6k81Bj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=b49J/ZY5C3jjte8MNFeDjcwRSI6KkrAqaPWc2G5199n7Or9OcoNCi7NdN5F0gXZZ+L tFIz8LJ4Tzwk9x0utPDFBClRJJ+2oiqQbupWa0IuQDNIlgCMC1SoWU4cvPNj8Zm0ovvD RI6Rv9ACglH4yHth2Ki7Lf24rbpLmx+J+Y38g= Original-Received: by 10.204.20.139 with SMTP id f11mr4718692bkb.177.1301387839145; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm3238140bkb.22.2011.03.29.01.37.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4TUy-0006Th-JA for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:37:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ipv3i051.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:13:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78146 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >> Eric S Fraga writes: >> >>> Richard Riley writes: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> Just to re-iterate : I feel it makes sense to activate ALL subscribed >>>> groups which are "agentised" since there is no network access >>> >>> Actually, I wouldn't want this. Offline, I often use a very slow laptop >>> and it can take quite a while to activate all groups. I think changing >>> the levels of the groups is easy enough, once we get past the >>> distinction between native/foreign/secondary groups. >> >> Me too : a netbook with an n550. That said you understand my issue with >> a "C u 5 g" type activation which forces re-reads from non agentised >> groups? Potentially very expensive when facing roaming charges. > > yes, I understand your issue with this. > > what I don't understand is why, if I am using gnus *unplugged*, doing > "C-u 5 g" actually queries any online servers as opposed to querying the > agent. This does seem to be wrong in some way... it doesn't bother me > because when I'm offline, I am indeed *offline* and the queries time out > immediately (with not cost incurred). Gnus itself is never unplugged. Only certain servers... Heh ;) I think there is an overlap between the meaning of the word "online" and "activated". But I'm still not 100% sure .. and am certainly no closer to being confident enough to offer docstring updates. As is usual with Gnus I would bet a penny to a pound that there exists already the right spell to make it work as I feel it should - its just a question of someone with enough understanding of what it all means to explain it.