From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78098 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:43:33 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87zkojjioy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8762r79fb0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301129190 2230 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2011 08:46:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:46:30 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26409@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Mar 26 09:46:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3P8X-0002H6-Lp for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:46:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3P7b-0007t0-VN; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 03:45:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3P7a-0007sj-Aa for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 03:45:22 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3P7N-0005Cb-37 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 03:45:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3P7M-0000XS-6j for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:45:08 +0100 Original-Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so1642930wyb.17 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=84QSBcoc2nGJYOg373znuDO2jeZKX7X8kI48G6HCcQQ=; b=TYdnDFEtqSoxGp3ef4f3+M8SyWU+748S/Xv9sqqMjZHPs6W03Da6hjZ6bJyiUxD9Si do1G/1g2yURautlpRAT96/37eg5QnleekzgZaACXN5reAS+42/4ejG1oa+qKqaaX/Co0 2eUDJZwTYNd7FhOccJndpAVfXBQ8/5orS9eck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WZhTEf7YTKRhRMpLYYCwiuO5Z4Fcgj9IGBmIOCJRFOKjXomXpysHo8vVrZ7Lt0v47Y QgNk/woEFFNJaDWbR3FlVZJ3BALE+sV9bqKXbEH6PONKJu1HQI76fDDJxeQG+1NhYIzm 3oQl8Sl5buPz6Gj0yADnN2WVh6iTRYUadL6A4= Original-Received: by 10.216.202.147 with SMTP id d19mr1682072weo.23.1301129102106; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm624750wer.2.2011.03.26.01.44.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3OBk-0002tZ-3a for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:45:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:05:42 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110015 (No Gnus v0.15) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78098 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > >> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:58:21 +0000, Eric wrote: >> >>> Richard Riley writes: >>>> Eric S Fraga writes: >> >>> [...] >> >>>>> I think I do understand. You may wish to set not only >>>>> gnus-activate-level but also gnus-activate-foreign-newsgroups to 5? = It >>>>> defaults to 4, I believe. >>>>=20 >>>> That works yes! Wow. Thanks! But "foreign group"? Why are they foreign >>>> groups? They are groups attached to nntp servers defined in select >>>> methods. Ye gods its complicated ;) ... >> >>> Somebody will correct me but I think /foreign/ groups refer to those >>> where the actual content is stored remotely (nntp, nnimap) versus >>> locally (nnml, nnmaildir). >> >> The manual says: >> >> ,----[ 10.4 Terminology - http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_366.html ] >> | native >> | Gnus will always use one method (and back end) as the native, or >> | default, way of getting news. >> |=20 >> | foreign >> | You can also have any number of foreign groups active at the same >> | time. These are groups that use non-native non-secondary back ends >> | for getting news. >> |=20 >> | secondary >> | Secondary back ends are somewhere half-way between being native a= nd >> | being foreign, but they mostly act like they are native. >> `---- >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Adam > > Adam, thanks for the pointer to the relevant place in the manual. My > guess was basically completely wrong. Oh well... > > However, I am not sure the documentation really explains anything at > all. It's the kind of documentation that makes sense if you already > know what it is telling you and otherwise just sounds like a circular > definition... and, unfortunately, there are quite a few sections like > this in the gnus manual. > This was my point as my comment about them not coming from secondary select groups was indeed from the manual : hence the foreign group active level variable should not have been relevant in this case. All my nntp groups are from secondary backends. Your comment about the circular nature is also true : too frequently the manual describes what the code does as opposed to what the function should do ;) I'm getting strange looks in the "free wireless" lobby of the hotel now as people tut and talk about "going outside" while I tinker with Gnus ;))