From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/18676 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wes Hardaker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: MIME composition (was: Storing the group a message has been written to) Date: 15 Nov 1998 09:01:46 -0800 Organization: U.C.Davis, Information Technology - D.C.A.S. Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035157160 7469 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from karazm.math.uh.edu (karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.1]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14677 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:02:41 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAB23820; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:02:29 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:02:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00540 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:02:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from des.castles.com (hardaker@des.castles.com [208.214.166.35]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14670 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:02:06 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from hardaker@localhost) by des.castles.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01577; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:01:47 -0800 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #qW^}a%m*T^{A:Cp}$R\"38+d}41-Z}uU8,r%F#c#s:~Nzp0G9](s?,K49KJ]s"*7gvRgA SrAvQc4@/}L7Qc=w{)]ACO\R{LF@S{pXfojjjGg6c;q6{~C}CxC^^&~(F]`1W)%9j/iS/ IM",B1M.?{w8ckLTYD'`|kTr\i\cgY)P4 X-url: http://dcas.ucdavis.edu/~hardaker In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "14 Nov 1998 03:07:28 +0100" Original-Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070042 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.42) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:18676 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:18676 >>>>> On 14 Nov 1998 03:07:28 +0100, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen said: >> I'd hate to have to parse the text above to figure out when to put >> in parts hidden below, and stuff. Lars> The user shouldn't have to think about this at all. The user Lars> taps, `C-c C-a cindy.gif RET', and that's it. Everything else Lars> is done with smoke and mirrors. I meant, I'd hate to try and write the correct smoke and mirrors routine. It would take far far less time to invisibilize (new word) the portions you want, and wouldn't require doing a whole bunch of cut/pasting later to put everything into place... >> Plus, narrowing should be a *user* feature that you'd be removing from >> their power by narrowing the buffer for them. Lars> Exposing the junk at the end would do no harm to the user Lars> interface, but it might be confusing. The same could be said of Lars> other narrowing modes, like tar mode and info mode. (Although Lars> one doesn't really edit much there, so they are a bit different, Lars> I guess.) I think thats the point entirely. Messages are much more prone to being edited by the user. By nature. And much more prone to a C-x n w. It's not me I'm concerned about. It's a less Emacs knowledgeable user. I have a friend in Switzerland that switched to gnus, because he liked what I was doing. I guarantee that if you put in narrowing on a function, I'll get a message from him sometime afterwards because he got confused. I can see I'm loosing this battle, so might I at least request that you rebind the default narrowing keys to some wrappers around them so that a widen will only widen to the original size? -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them."