From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/12658 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wes hardaker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: a true pop3 backend? Date: 21 Oct 1997 17:02:53 -0700 Organization: U.C. Davis, Information Technology Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152154 4969 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:15:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12336 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:06:24 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15112 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.7/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id CAA02213 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:05:51 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: (qmail 2540 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 1997 00:05:27 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2537 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1997 00:05:24 -0000 Original-Received: from n4-103-246.thegrid.net (hardaker@209.60.103.246) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1997 00:05:20 -0000 Original-Received: (from hardaker@localhost) by n4-103-246.thegrid.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA14864; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:02:53 -0700 Original-To: "(ding)" X-Face: #qW^}a%m*T^{A:Cp}$R\"38+d}41-Z}uU8,r%F#c#s:~Nzp0G9](s?,K49KJ]s"*7gvRgA SrAvQc4@/}L7Qc=w{)]ACO\R{LF@S{pXfojjjGg6c;q6{~C}CxC^^&~(F]`1W)%9j/iS/ IM",B1M.?{w8ckLTYD'`|kTr\i\cgY)P4 X-url: http://www-sphys.unil.ch/~whardake In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "21 Oct 1997 18:24:12 -0400" Original-Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.12/XEmacs 19.15 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12658 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12658 >>>>> On 21 Oct 1997 18:24:12 -0400, Stainless Steel Rat said: Rat> The moment the session terminates, everthing the backend knows Rat> about anything would be rendered utterly useless if any changes Rat> have occoured to the remote mailbox. That would be gnus's job... Similar to the nnweb backend, the server knows nothing and gnus has to track it itself. Rat> The Post Office Protocols were never intended to be used Rat> interactively. True. I don't necessarily imply otherwise. Only gnus needs to have the summary buffer updated. You exit the summary buffer, and re-enter, it dumps the *entire* headers again from the server. Ugly, true. Rat> I ask that that patch *NOT* be added to pop3. pop3 is an Rat> interface library, not a backend. If you wish to develop a Rat> replacement for the pop3-movemail reference implementation please Rat> do so outside of the library. Hmm... That actually suprises me. That patch didn't do almost anything other than set up another variable allowing you to not call the 'DELE' command on the server. It hardly implements the backend I'm suggesting. It simply requires that the messages be left there. Eudora and other smarter mail readers handling situations like this (Lars is going to shoot me for even remotely implying Eudora might be smarter in any way to gnus...) compare the msgid's of the current inbox with those on the server to determine which to download. That's where their state comes in. If you delete something locally not deleted on the server, you'll quickly find them back in your inbox again the next time you download new mail if you have the 'dont-delete-on-server' setting set. Anyway, as I previously mentioned, I hardly think this is a decent interface for checking mail on a permenant basis. Only a 'remote' basis, when you are at a computer that you don't want to download the mail to. Kinda a like a browser... Similar to the nnweb interface... No nnml message numbers... Probably shouldn't even be stored in the .newsrc.eld file, except for the fact that the newsgroup exists (ie, there is no such thing as a 'read' article). Wes -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them."