adaptive scoring control in .SCORE not working

adaptive scoring control in .SCORE not working

[Rich Pieri]

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versions: Gnus 5.4.12, Emacs 19.34

I have just confirmed that the `adapt' directives ("(adapt t)" and
"(adapt ignore)") in .SCORE files are not working.  I am not sure yet if
they are simply being ignored or if the value of
gnus-use-adaptive-scoring is incorrectly being allowed to override them
rather than them overriding the variable.

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Re: adaptive scoring control in .SCORE not working

[Hans de Graaff]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@PrescientTech.com> writes:

> I have just confirmed that the `adapt' directives ("(adapt t)" and
> "(adapt ignore)") in .SCORE files are not working.  I am not sure
> yet if they are simply being ignored or if the value of
> gnus-use-adaptive-scoring is incorrectly being allowed to override
> them rather than them overriding the variable.

Are you by any chance using auto-expiration? If so, then this wipes
away your catchup and read information with 'E' marks for
expiration. Switching to total-expire should work.

Hans

Re: adaptive scoring control in .SCORE not working

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:

HdG> Are you by any chance using auto-expiration?

I maintain two different sets of .newsrc files, one for mail (nnml), one
for news (nntp).  gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups is ".*" (matches
everything) when nnml is my primary select method.
gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups is nil when anything else is my primary
select method.  And I am not using explicit auto-expire in any group
parameters.

HdG> If so, then this wipes away your catchup and read information with
HdG> 'E' marks for expiration.

This is technically a bug, then, I think.  Marking everything unread as
expirable should occour after the adaptive scoring algorithms have
processed the mail group.  Not that big a deal for me, though, since I
do not want to use adaptive scoring in my nnml groups.

HdG> Switching to total-expire should work.

This does not address the problem when I am not using any kind of
automatic expiry, which is when I *do* use adaptive scoring.

Note: my adaptive scoring setup worked fine in Gnus 5.2.40.

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Re: adaptive scoring control in .SCORE not working

[Hans de Graaff]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@PrescientTech.com> writes:

> HdG> If so, then this wipes away your catchup and read information with
> HdG> 'E' marks for expiration.
> 
> This is technically a bug, then, I think.  Marking everything unread as
> expirable should occour after the adaptive scoring algorithms have
> processed the mail group.  Not that big a deal for me, though, since I
> do not want to use adaptive scoring in my nnml groups.

I agree it's a bug, but fixing this wasn't easy, I think. The consensus
the last time this was discussed here was that it wouldn't be fixed.

> HdG> Switching to total-expire should work.
> 
> This does not address the problem when I am not using any kind of
> automatic expiry, which is when I *do* use adaptive scoring.
> 
> Note: my adaptive scoring setup worked fine in Gnus 5.2.40.

I understand. Can't volunteer additional suggestions, though. Now Lars
will likely suggest that you step through the relevant functions in
debug-mode. :-)

Hans