Re: Cannot display face symbols

Re: Cannot display face symbols

[St. Suika Fenderson Roberts]

Rich Pieri writes:
> So, I am trying to tweak some face properties in my Summary buffers
> (because they are not coming up bold on Win32 for some reason I have yet
> to fathom), and I run into a really annoying problem:

Well, there is the possibility that the font you are using doesn't have
a bold setting (I know that 6x9 and 6x10 don't, and since those are the
ones that I use, that is a bit of a problem.  Is there any way to just
specify that all faces that should have a certain property should
substitute a different one?  I've managed to get the bold face to
display as white, but I would prefer not to have a huge string of
`modify-face' calls, one for each face, in my .gnus)

> ARGH!  How am I supposed to tweak gnus-summary-high-ticked-face when I
> cannot see what value it is?

very carefully . . .

> If anyone says "use custom" I am going to shoot that someone.

I understand far too well.  Oh well.

mayhap this will help,
	Suika.	(who reset the term to funny charactes, and thus is
	typing blind.  There is supposed to be a key-seq. fo fix it. . )
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Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "SSFR" == St Suika Fenderson Roberts
>>>>> <wrobert2@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu> writes:

SSFR> Rich Pieri writes:
>> So, I am trying to tweak some face properties in my Summary buffers
>> (because they are not coming up bold on Win32 for some reason I have yet
>> to fathom),

SSFR> Well, there is the possibility that the font you are using doesn't
SSFR> have a bold setting (I know that 6x9 and 6x10 don't, and since
SSFR> those are the ones that I use, that is a bit of a problem.

Yeah, it does.  The font I am using is Lucida Sans Typewriter (a
TrueType font), and it does have both bold and italic components.  The
article buffer headers are just fine, as are the "low score" italicized
summary lines and the underline for the currently selected article, and
it works fine with Gnus 5.2.x.  It is bolding for the "high" faces in
the summary buffer that is not working, only with Gnus 5.4, and only on
my Win32 box.

Hmmm... `(face-font 'gnus-summary-high-[...]-face)' is returning nil...
same with gnus-summary-normal-[...]-face.  Well, that would explain at
least part of it.  Anyone have any ideas why the low-score face
definitions are taking but the normal- and high-score faces are not?

As an aside, it also looks like explicit set-face-[...] settings for
things like 'bold are not being copied.  I think they should, but that
is just me.

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Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Per Abrahamsen]

"St. Suika Fenderson Roberts" <wrobert2@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu> writes:

> Is there any way to just specify that all faces that should have a
> certain property should substitute a different one?

I don't know, but redefining `set-face-bold' may get you some of the
way.

Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

>> Is there any way to just specify that all faces that should have a
>> certain property should substitute a different one?

PA> I don't know, but redefining `set-face-bold' may get you some of the
PA> way.

Only in XEmacs; this function does not exist in GNU Emacs 19.34.

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Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Per Abrahamsen]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@PrescientTech.com> writes:

> Only in XEmacs; this function does not exist in GNU Emacs 19.34.

I _meant_ to write `make-face-bold'.

Cannot display face symbols

[Rich Pieri]

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So, I am trying to tweak some face properties in my Summary buffers
(because they are not coming up bold on Win32 for some reason I have yet
to fathom), and I run into a really annoying problem:

I CANNOT DISPLAY ANY OF THE FACE SYMBOLS OR THEIR VALUES!

ARGH!  How am I supposed to tweak gnus-summary-high-ticked-face when I
cannot see what value it is?

If anyone says "use custom" I am going to shoot that someone.

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Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Sudish Joseph]

Rich Pieri writes:
> I CANNOT DISPLAY ANY OF THE FACE SYMBOLS OR THEIR VALUES!

> ARGH!  How am I supposed to tweak gnus-summary-high-ticked-face when I
> cannot see what value it is?

I doubt that's a symbol, probably just a face-name.  If so, you can
dissect it using the various face-foo functions.  For e.g., (face-font
'gnus-summary-high-ticked-face) should give you the font in use, etc.
For more information, consult the fine lisp manual.

Now, can we stop shouting?
-Sudish

Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "SJ" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:

SJ> Now, can we stop shouting?

*sigh*

Life was a lot easier when Emacs was 18 :).

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Re: Cannot display face symbols

[William M. Perry]

Rich Pieri writes:
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>>>>>> "SJ" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:
>
>SJ> Now, can we stop shouting?
>
>*sigh*
>
>Life was a lot easier when Emacs was 18 :).

  Yes, but it was _SO_MUCH_UGLIER_.  But oh my god was it faster.  Just for
kicks I went out the other day and ran Emacs-w3 on 18.59.  I blinked and it
was done parsing some very large pages.  Ohhhhhhh yeaaaaah.

  Of course, lots of shit didn't work right. :)

-Bill P.

Re: Cannot display face symbols

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "WMP" == William M Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:

>> Life was a lot easier when Emacs was 18 :).

WMP>   Yes, but it was _SO_MUCH_UGLIER_.

For certain definitions of "uglier".  Honestly, my Emacs 19s look almost
exactly like my Emacs 18s did.  And you know, I like it that way.  I
grew up in the "old school" of writing and typesetting.  You do not want
a bazillion different fonts in a document; you do not want seemingly
random color changes.  These may make the document "pretty" but at the
same time they make the document unreadable.  The most readable
documents -- printed or not -- are the ones presented in a clean font
with a minimum of digression for required emphasis.  Anything else is
too "busy"; the formatting becomes more important than the content.

WMP> But oh my god was it faster.

And smaller, and... well... sometimes I wish 18.59 would run on Win32.
It would give me some incentive to go polish up my old GNUS-mail
hackery.

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