From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/11508 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jdc@chow.mat.jhu.edu (Dan Christensen) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: 2 things Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035151207 30764 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:00:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@ifi.uio.no Return-Path: Original-Received: from sandy.calag.com (root@sandy [206.190.83.128]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00768 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:14:47 -0700 Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by sandy.calag.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29611 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:12:25 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28070 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu (jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.86]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:30:24 +0200 Original-Received: from chow.mat.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.1-7 #18666) id <01IKXANOXJS08WW1V8@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for ding@ifi.uio.no; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:29:49 EDT Original-Received: from chow.mat.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.1-7 #18666) with ESMTP id <01IKXANO4VIS8WW1NL@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu>; Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from jdc@localhost) by chow.mat.jhu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA16768; Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: Hrvoje Niksic's message of "06 Jul 1997 22:42:35 +0200" Original-To: Hrvoje Niksic X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.61/Emacs 19.34 Original-Lines: 57 Original-Xref: altair.xemacs.org dgnus-list:1898 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11508 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11508 Hrvoje Niksic writes: > jdc@chow.mat.jhu.edu (Dan Christensen) writes: > > > Ahh, I see. It seems to me that it would be better have > > `gnus-no-server' behave exactly like `gnus' except that the server is > > not contacted. The start-up level is an orthogonal issue, and one can > > always do `C-u 2 gnus-no-server' if one wants. > > If you intend to change the meaning of `gnus-no-server', you have to > provide an alternative functionality for `M-x gnus-no-server' used to > do. If `gnus-no-server' is changed so that by default it doesn't set the startup level to 2, then to get the old functionality you just do `C-u 2 gnus-no-server'. Like I said above. Or am I misunderstanding you? My point is that there is already a mechanism for setting the startup level, namely by giving a numeric prefix, and this works whether one uses `gnus' or `gnus-no-server'. The way things are now, it isn't possible to use gnus without a server and without the startup level set to something. This makes gnus-no-server very slow in various circumstances, just as `C-u 2 gnus' can be much slower than `gnus' if you have a lots of groups on levels 1 and 2. Anyways, I don't really care what gnus-no-server does. But I do want a fast way to access mail only. Here are some timings that I did about a month ago. M-x gnus 6 sec. C-u 2 M-x gnus 10 sec. M-x gnus-no-server 3 min 0 sec. C-u 2 M-x gnus-no-server 12 sec. I use nnfolder and keep my important mail groups at levels 1 and 2. I keep my archive groups at level 3. And I keep my nntp groups at level 4. `gnus-no-server' starts up at level 3 because I've set gnus-level-default-subscribed to 4. I have gnus-read-active-file set to 'some, and I have deleted all of my killed newsgroups from my .newsrc.eld. These timings don't include load time and were done before I started compressing nnfolder files. (I would guess that the third line would be 5 or 10 times slower now, while the others would stay the same.) It's the third line that I'm complaining about --- it should be faster than the first line since it has less work to do. There should be some way that I can read all of my mail folders without accessing the news server and without spending 3 (or now 30) minutes during startup. If I have to type something other than `gnus-no-server', e.g. (gnus nil t), that's fine. Dan -- Dan Christensen jdc@math.jhu.edu