off-topic reputation

off-topic reputation

[황병희]

For long time i did investigate about email reputation.
So today i did get best truth for reputation.

No SPF!
No DMARC!

Yes using *Gnus*! YES YES YES!!!

Machine(ex: spamassassin)'s view is not good sometimes.
Real eye's view is long run until earth die.

Gnus is real best reputation!

And my message-id prefix 'xhm' is from uid 3253(soyeomul) on Debian 11
Bullseye. I swear i am real person from South Korea. 

Thank you for using Gnus!

(forgive me off-topic)

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

>  I swear i am real person from South Korea. 

I meant i am not professional spammmer!

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

> No SPF!
> No DMARC!

By the way, DKIM is INTERNET STANDATD -- RFC 6376. So i respect DKIM
signature, as very special thing!

Therefore, final attitude is using Gnus and DKIM. 

It is the real best reputation on the email world.

(10 years investigation)

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

Re: off-topic reputation

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

>>  I swear i am real person from South Korea. 
>
> I meant i am not professional spammmer!

Typical amateur spammer ...

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
>
>>>  I swear i am real person from South Korea. 
>>
>> I meant i am not professional spammmer!
>
> Typical amateur spammer ...

INDEED! Yes i am the last spammer ...

What a beautiful day!

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> writes:

>> No SPF!
>> No DMARC!
>
> By the way, DKIM is INTERNET STANDATD -- RFC 6376. So i respect DKIM
> signature, as very special thing!
>
> Therefore, final attitude is using Gnus and DKIM. 
>
> It is the real best reputation on the email world.

Sorry to all.

Today i had to setup SPF for @doraji.xyz as you know 10 hours ago. There
is a story. Let me say that:

... on the phone ...
me: "i sent mail to you"
help desk: "not recevied"
me: "you check spam foler?"
help desk: "not receviced, too"
me: "hey please really?!"
help desk: "NOT RECEVIED!!!"
me: "ok i got it see you later"

3 seconds later, i did have setup SPF record in cloudflare:

#+begin_src text
v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com +all
#+end_src

then try email again with subject "[RESEND]..."

... on the phone ...
me: "i sent mail again 3 minutes ago"
help desk: "yeh! now recevied mail with [RESEND]..."
me: "ok thanks!"

That's today's my story in South Korea.

So for a while i have to go with both DKIM and SPF, ...

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

>>> No SPF!
>>> No DMARC!
>>
>> By the way, DKIM is INTERNET STANDATD -- RFC 6376 [...]
>
> [...] So for a while i have to go with both DKIM and SPF

Check out this file ...

#! /bin/zsh
#
# this file:
#   http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/mail
#   https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/mail
#
# the DMARC issue:
#   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC
#   https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/kL24edUthAOuHuwK3ZnpFkCXduI
#
# RFC 7489:
#   "Domain-based Message Authentication,
#    Reporting, and Conformance (DMARC)"
#    <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489>
#
# discussion and commands:
#   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00476.html
#   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00477.html
#   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00481.html

local DMARK_ZOHO=_dmarc.zoho.eu

dig-zoho () {
    dig $DMARK_ZOHO txt +short
}

host-zoho () {
    host -t txt $DMARK_ZOHO
}

test-zoho () {
    local server=pop.zoho.com
    local port=995

    echo "socat"
    socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port}

    echo "\nopenssl"
    openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port}

    echo "\ngutls-cli"
    gnutls-cli --port $port $server
}

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: off-topic reputation

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

>> No SPF!
>> No DMARC!
>>
> By the way, DKIM is INTERNET STANDATD -- RFC 6376 [...]

Also try this:

(defun rfc (num)
  (interactive "nRFC: ")
  (w3m-browse-url
   (format "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc%d" num) ))

https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/w3m/w3m-url.el

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
>
>>>> No SPF!
>>>> No DMARC!
>>>
>>> By the way, DKIM is INTERNET STANDATD -- RFC 6376 [...]
>>
>> [...] So for a while i have to go with both DKIM and SPF
>
> Check out this file ...
>
> #! /bin/zsh
> #
> # this file:
> #   http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/mail
> #   https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/mail
> #
> # the DMARC issue:
> #   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC
> #   https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/kL24edUthAOuHuwK3ZnpFkCXduI
> #
> # RFC 7489:
> #   "Domain-based Message Authentication,
> #    Reporting, and Conformance (DMARC)"
> #    <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489>
> #
> # discussion and commands:
> #   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00476.html
> #   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00477.html
> #   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00481.html
>
> local DMARK_ZOHO=_dmarc.zoho.eu
>
> dig-zoho () {
>     dig $DMARK_ZOHO txt +short
> }
>
> host-zoho () {
>     host -t txt $DMARK_ZOHO
> }
>
> test-zoho () {
>     local server=pop.zoho.com
>     local port=995
>
>     echo "socat"
>     socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port}
>
>     echo "\nopenssl"
>     openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port}
>
>     echo "\ngutls-cli"
>     gnutls-cli --port $port $server
> }

Oh very quickly feedback Emanuel!

After your mail, i did try to install zsh/socat/etc, in Debian 11
Bullseye. Then, with your shell script, i call one func() host-zoho:

#+begin_src text
soyeomul@yw:~/test2$ ./1.zsh
_dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; ..."
#+end_src

so i did understand for long time your mail address injected to Reply-To
header instead From header in Emacs mailing list. I have to study more
about the reputation with both spf and dkim. Anyhow i don't like to add
dmarc record, at least, for now.

At this time, you Emanuel police, me spammer, ho ho ho ^^^

Thanks for using Gnus!

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

> After your mail, i did try to install zsh/socat/etc, in
> Debian 11 Bullseye. Then, with your shell script, i call one
> func() host-zoho:
>
> #+begin_src text
> soyeomul@yw:~/test2$ ./1.zsh
> _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; ..."
> #+end_src
>
> so i did understand for long time your mail address injected
> to Reply-To header instead From header in Emacs
> mailing list.

That's what happened? I was pretty gone during that whole
period ... good that I at least took notes.

> At this time, you Emanuel police, me spammer, ho ho ho ^^^

Ha, what's that supposed to mean ... LOL

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
>
>> After your mail, i did try to install zsh/socat/etc, in
>> Debian 11 Bullseye. Then, with your shell script, i call one
>> func() host-zoho:
>>
>> #+begin_src text
>> soyeomul@yw:~/test2$ ./1.zsh
>> _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; ..."
>> #+end_src
>>
>> so i did understand for long time your mail address injected
>> to Reply-To header instead From header in Emacs
>> mailing list.
>
> That's what happened? I was pretty gone during that whole
> period ... good that I at least took notes.

Only DMARC way was/is overkill, i think. That is all.

>> At this time, you Emanuel police, me spammer, ho ho ho ^^^
>
> Ha, what's that supposed to mean ... LOL

I meant you Emanuel are smart guy like as Sherlock Holmes.

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

>>> At this time, you Emanuel police, me spammer, ho ho ho ^^^
>>
>> Ha, what's that supposed to mean ... LOL
>
> I meant you Emanuel are smart guy like as Sherlock Holmes.

Hm, thanks, never heard that one before so I suppose it's
true ...

But actually I remember when I played ice hockey I always said
the comparison to Wayne Gretzky was a bit exaggerated ...

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
>
>>>> At this time, you Emanuel police, me spammer, ho ho ho ^^^
>>>
>>> Ha, what's that supposed to mean ... LOL
>>
>> I meant you Emanuel are smart guy like as Sherlock Holmes.
>
> Hm, thanks, never heard that one before so I suppose it's
> true ...
>
> But actually I remember when I played ice hockey I always said
> the comparison to Wayne Gretzky was a bit exaggerated ...

It seems that you nice face nice guy, i believe!

Anyway again return to reputation.

So long time really i have been investigated reputation and many
sender's headers. I cannot trust spamassassin's reputation. Real view is
human's view, i think.

In particular, i trust all Gnus folks! To me, Message-ID is very
important very special. Really my Message-ID prefix 'xhm' is from system
uid 3253.

I wanted to prove my integrity by this patch:

<https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1005970>

Could you please help me? For reliable reputation.

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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Re: off-topic reputation

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

> So for a while i have to go with both DKIM and SPF, ...

After very very very deep thoughts, last sunday i did delete SPF record
in DNS, as finall decision.

And this will be the last letter in this threads, thanks!

REFERENCE: <https://doraji.xyz/index.html>

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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