From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64056 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Z Maze Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: nocem in Gnus: should it go away? Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:16:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1165000651 12530 80.91.229.2 (1 Dec 2006 19:17:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M12579@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Dec 01 20:17:29 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GqDso-0007Vy-JZ for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:17:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqDsV-0003tO-GZ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:16:55 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqDsU-0003t0-1X for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:16:54 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqDsN-0005lC-Ui for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:16:53 -0600 Original-Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu ([18.72.1.2]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1GqDsM-0002xV-00 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:16:46 +0100 Original-Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by south-station-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id kB1JGiGX010116 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:16:44 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (OUTGOING-LEGACY.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.104]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id kB1JGbEl006215; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:16:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from contents-vnder-pressvre.mit.edu (CONTENTS-VNDER-PRESSVRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.16.67]) ) by outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id kB1JGatA028045; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:16:36 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Ding Mailing List Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUGBgS83KhoOivUeFmC pXj4o39qeFZD1JPmAAACOklEQVR4nE2UQY/bIBCFkVPlbpX0bA2tz7sQcl5SlnsWc7cclv// E/oGjNNxokjz8eYxA7HwR9xLKQGRC4eQezqUj7KWnDOzAOB3EjaBKDl4KPARzkvpAIqoUTwI a2op6WVoeXHOlfgsnJPM1kl0SdMIFEJ0AaIJshiRhkCsHbC/51LycKDmgiw2jVJy9B9IDPNN U5NkSMQoR+c5/zTW3qjZgwg5ylpJ2YT4wubO7FEVEs0NhvPJaqzxDaDS2gUpGUjyDkau9NxB fKsmu4Ir2XSpwAjxYwfsfeqlbJwqcAwwcLINxGRWtIhhMEB7ZLoAJudd4aE42e4RCQDjYMXK CpS6XOBtNM7EVfPAbRgihfU08Sg9jqIr9G9JJuo70cCty66gwY6kzJ9xIygyJs7mDNQcSEUV iPSE1qt5mLgUkcGj8ExTbrvii2CwG3UCQkxUXDUPE03KIqPw8Iq33IBfUcbw/Ez9eeo8VvPr qrRNj2RU1DjeaN6cG8c6RKVNnTg+GIDWfAkPBVdK2jC84fCq4n4yik+VNICNtoPlPkScrKmh bPw+FIGSYmBrOUPeNfATjajPpFXtMl0Hvyt4imfzqDvC9zZ3cAEYvlt/ADq7rvDbNKj3RuxC B7gsZRWzbSAaymNXSPxjia8id1GmV6kUyjDMf9vd3daXAiYFd4GvXNzmaT7AspRyJnoif6Nn Ob8UC94fN6KybTSbvB0e46d3Tyzm+I7v4QWW5WGswZulXFNyv/4DGFvqYRv4BxSm28ZwQ4mv AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: &OO..E]'&$Q?jm[7H$]lCS"t#FD[|jK.HfvP#![KZ`/,O)lQ(pE<2QS1i~K3+u\{Bh"(4h4G0W#R-F2zZNO6n\!8bk;tu%)f>y{C` P*^7yM`e/x"b1q[?^-9zxTp In-Reply-To: (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri\, 01 Dec 2006 18\:11\:27 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (usg-unix-v) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64056 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > /gnus/lisp> grep -i nocem *.el|wc > 165 754 9124 > > That's a lot of code for a feature no one uses. Should it go away? > Or should it be revisited, updated, and made useful? Maybe it can > integrate with spam.el for instance. My $0.02 is that "classic" Usenet spam has practically vanished (for the...five? public NNTP groups I read, three of which are moderated). I tried using NoCeM for a bit but the overhead of running it was just insane, even given a news server pretty close to me on the network. Setting gnus-spam-autodetect to scan NNTP groups too seems to give pretty good results at a much lower performance overhead. If you were trying to read "most" of Usenet using Gnus, it might still be useful to you. But that's an awful lot of traffic. Personally, I wouldn't miss nocem if it vanished, and I could see it wanting to vanish if the code maintenance issues are starting to stack up. --dzm