From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/28907 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Pterodactly gripe / oGnus wish Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:24:42 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035165671 32253 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBF5D051E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:26:15 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAB17989; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:25:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:25:06 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06051 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:24:55 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from lesbains.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (lesbains.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.5]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAECD051E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:24:48 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (brabantio [134.2.12.25]) by lesbains.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCFC4AC for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:24:47 +0100 (NFT) Original-Received: (from sperber@localhost) by informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16178; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:24:46 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Karl Kleinpaste's message of "21 Jan 2000 12:16:25 -0500" Original-Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.2 (Millenium) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28907 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28907 >>>>> "Karl" =3D=3D Karl Kleinpaste writes: Karl> sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de writes: >> I look at the *Groups* buffer. It displays the correct number of >> (ticked) articles in a group. I enter the group and it prompts me >> with a totally bogus number of articles to fetch. Why can't Gnus >> count at least as well as I can? Karl> Because at the point of construction of the *Group* buffer, Gnus = does Karl> not know what is inside individual groups. Gnus knows what the a= ctive Karl> file says about the group, which is nothing more than a high and = low Karl> value for article numbers. But the number in *Group* is *right*. The number it prompts me with is wrong. Why? And why can't Gnus look up the relevant information when constructing the *Group* buffer? At the latest, it should look it up when it prompts me for a number. There's something fundamental I'm not getting here, or there's a fundamental design flaw in Gnus. Karl> Gnus does not discover the gap until it enters the group. When y= ou Karl> tell it to do so, all it sees is that "low" subtracted from "high= " is Karl> a number of potential articles which is larger than the Karl> gnus-large-newsgroup variable. So it bugs you with a question. Karl> Considering that the entire structure of Gnus is built on this Karl> distinction between knowing the set of groups available (in *Grou= p*) Karl> and learning what is in a given group (as *Summary* is being buil= t), Karl> it will be extraordinarily difficult to "fix" this. Well, OK. But why does Gnus have to get unbearably slow when dealing with these gaps? This is really the worst aspect of the problem. Karl> Consider that it absolutely _cannot_ be fixed for nntp or Karl> nnspool groups, Sure, I can see that. I don't need it fixed there, I need it fixed for nnml groups. --=20 Cheers =3D8-} Mike Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla