sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Wesley.Hardaker]

you know, we (err...  Lars) really need to name the next gnus after
something beginning with a 'q'.  I mean, the last one was the letter
before the previous, there for the next should be the letter before
the current (ha...  Parse that sentence logically!), therefore should
be 'q'.  Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?

Wes

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Lars Balker Rasmussen]

Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:
> Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?

Quayle?
-- 
Lars Balker Rasmussen                                           - Duck!
<URL:http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~gnort/>                           - Where!?

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Ariel Scolnicov]

Lars Balker Rasmussen <gnort@daimi.aau.dk> writes:

> 
> Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:
> > Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?
> 
> Quayle?

Quiche? As in "Gnus -- The Quiche Eaters Strike Back"?

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Hans de Graaff]

Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:

> you know, we (err...  Lars) really need to name the next gnus after
> something beginning with a 'q'.  I mean, the last one was the letter
> before the previous, there for the next should be the letter before
> the current (ha...  Parse that sentence logically!), therefore
> should be 'q'.  Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?

I made the same point. Lars argued I forgot (ding), but with some
German pronunciation we got around that, I think. We also selected one
fruit with a Q: the famous quince.

So Quince Gnus is really our only option, I'm afraid.

Hans

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Wesley.Hardaker]

Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:

> I made the same point. Lars argued I forgot (ding), but with some
> German pronunciation we got around that, I think. We also selected one
> fruit with a Q: the famous quince.
> 
> So Quince Gnus is really our only option, I'm afraid.

Well, thats fine by me.  Unfortunately, my favorite was still 'mamey
spote' or however you spell it (or whatever it was.  I've forgotten
already).  Maybe we could stick a 'q' in the front just to deal with
the issue.  I doubt anyone would notice?  Ok, maybe, but...  too bad!

QMamey Spote Gnus!

(It just looks like a typo that everyone is making...)

Even better.  Pick my other favorite (ok, one of) and it works much
better with a vowel:

Qedible Pea Pod Gnus

Qcool!
Qwes

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Brent B. Powers]

Wesley Hardaker writes:
 > From: Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch
 > To: ding@ifi.uio.no
 > Subject: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?
 > Date: 10 Oct 1996 08:18:03 +0100
 > 
 > Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:
 > 
 > > I made the same point. Lars argued I forgot (ding), but with some
 > > German pronunciation we got around that, I think. We also selected one
 > > fruit with a Q: the famous quince.
 > > 
 > > So Quince Gnus is really our only option, I'm afraid.
 > 
 > Well, thats fine by me.  Unfortunately, my favorite was still 'mamey
 > spote' or however you spell it (or whatever it was.  I've forgotten
 > already).  Maybe we could stick a 'q' in the front just to deal with
 > the issue.  I doubt anyone would notice?  Ok, maybe, but...  too bad!
 > 
 > QMamey Spote Gnus!
 > 
 > (It just looks like a typo that everyone is making...)
 > 
 > Even better.  Pick my other favorite (ok, one of) and it works much
 > better with a vowel:
 > 
 > Qedible Pea Pod Gnus
 > 
 > Qcool!
 > Qwes
 > 
Since, I believe, it was me that came up with Quince in the first
place, I've got one more small suggestion....

(Drum Roll)
(Bugle and Straight Horn Fanfare)

Quinoa


(Huzzahs...)

There are only two problems with Quinoa....  First of all, it's not a
fruit, it's a grain. Secondly, the pronunciation is so odd that only
those truly interested in esoterica will be able to pronounce it
properly (Think Keen-wah, accent on the first syllable).

On the other hand, it truly is esoteric, sounds kind of cool, starts
with a Q, and it LOOKS seriously cool (Is that quinoa in your chinos
or are you just happy to see me?)

Cheers...

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Mats Löfdahl]

Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:

> Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?

Qcumber gnus?

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  Lockheed Martin, Advanced Technology Center
  c/o O/H1-12, B/252
  3251 Hanover Street, Palo Alto, CA 94304
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Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[C. R. Oldham]

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On 10 Oct 1996, Mats Löfdahl wrote:
> Qcumber gnus?

That's it!

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Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Wesley.Hardaker]

Mats "L\\vfdahl" <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> Qcumber gnus?

Ohh....  thats a good one!

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Wesley.Hardaker]

Mats "L\\vfdahl" <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:
> 
> > Are there are veggies that start with a 'q'?
> 
> Qcumber gnus?

Hey Lars!!!!

Qcumber mamey spote sucatash gnus???????

Thats a winner in my book.

Qcumber

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ "C. R. Oldham" <cro@nca.asu.edu> wrote:
| 
| On 10 Oct 1996, Mats Löfdahl wrote:
| > Qcumber gnus?
| 
| That's it!

Yes! And .. let me check.. the t-shirts must be green and have the
texts about why Qcumbers Gnus is better than <J. Random  newsreader>
:-)

(You know the 'why a cucumber is better than a man'?, if not I will
type it in)

Ouch I tried to say Qgnus, not as easy as Sgnus or Rgnus.. my tongue
almost knotted.

	/Andy

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Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Brent B. Powers" <powers@ml.com> writes:

> Since, I believe, it was me that came up with Quince in the first
> place, I've got one more small suggestion....
> 
> (Drum Roll)
> (Bugle and Straight Horn Fanfare)
> 
> Quinoa

That has possibilities...

(ki-'n{o-}-*)
Etymology: Sp, fr. Quechua i[quinua]
   n, a pigweed (i[Chenopodium quinoa]) of the high Andes whose
   seeds are locally a staple food

Quinoa Gnus.

> There are only two problems with Quinoa....  First of all, it's not a
> fruit, it's a grain.

Who are we to quibble?

> Secondly, the pronunciation is so odd that only
> those truly interested in esoterica will be able to pronounce it
> properly (Think Keen-wah, accent on the first syllable).

I think that's a feature, not a bug.  :-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

qgnus pronounciation

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
| 
| > Secondly, the pronunciation is so odd that only
| > those truly interested in esoterica will be able to pronounce it
| > properly (Think Keen-wah, accent on the first syllable).
| 
| I think that's a feature, not a bug.  :-)

And now Lars you will be able to spread your presence (frown) through
soundwaves, in a sampling trying to pronounce it, instead of the 
GNU as splash-screen for Qgnuz ;-)

Hmm well we certainly need a sample of someone pronouncing it together
with the distribution.. 

A third thought.. it will be rather hard doing sweatshirts/t-shirts
with the pronounciation.. hmm a CD?? ;-) The QGNUS CD..

	/Andy

8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Mats Löfdahl]

Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:

> Mats "L\\vfdahl" <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:
> 
> > Qcumber gnus?
> 
> Ohh....  thats a good one!

:-)

On completely different subject: Is there any possiblity of making
gnus understand "L\\vfdahl" above and display it (correctly) as
"Löfdahl"?

-- 
  Mats Löfdahl, Research Scientist -- Temp. phone number:  +1 415/424-4001
  Lockheed Martin, Advanced Technology Center
  c/o O/H1-12, B/252
  3251 Hanover Street, Palo Alto, CA 94304
  lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com, mlofdahl@solar.stanford.edu

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Colin Rafferty]

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On 11 Oct 1996 16:00:30 +0000, Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> said:

>> Mats "L\\vfdahl" <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> On completely different subject: Is there any possiblity of making
> gnus understand "L\\vfdahl" above and display it (correctly) as
> "Löfdahl"?

I think this is a MIME thing.  Otherwise, how would gnus know not to
convert this:

    (setq dos-home-dir-regexp "c:\\vms")

into:

    (setq dos-home-dir-regexp "c:öms")

-- 
Colin

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Roderick Schertler]

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:12:01 -0400, "Brent B. Powers" <powers@ml.com> said:
> 
> On the other hand, [quinoa] truly is esoteric, sounds kind of cool,
> starts with a Q, and it LOOKS seriously cool (Is that quinoa in your
> chinos or are you just happy to see me?)

Plus, and let's not underestimate the importance of this point, it's very
tasty.  My housemate started substituting quinoa for rice or potatoes a
few weeks ago and he's going good places with it.

-- 
Roderick Schertler
roderick@gate.net

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Michael R Cook]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

 >> There are only two problems with Quinoa....  First of all, it's not a
 >> fruit, it's a grain.

 LMI> Who are we to quibble?

 >> Secondly, the pronunciation is so odd that only
 >> those truly interested in esoterica will be able to pronounce it
 >> properly (Think Keen-wah, accent on the first syllable).

 LMI> I think that's a feature, not a bug.  :-)

If you'd like a difficult-to-pronounce, okay-if-not-quiet-a-fruit, Q-name, I
can do one better: Quincunx Gnus.

\'kwin-,k*n(k)s : an arrangement of five plant parts.

It's got the "Gnus 5" base covered, too. :-)

Michael.

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> On completely different subject: Is there any possiblity of making
> gnus understand "L\\vfdahl" above and display it (correctly) as
> "Löfdahl"?

Why should "L\\vfdahl" be displayed as "Löfdahl"?  I could understand
displaying "L\\fdahl" or "L\fdahl" as "Löfdahl", though...

But -- yes, of course.  Just write a `gnus-article-display-hook'
function do translate it.  :-)

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Mats Löfdahl]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> 
> Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:
> 
> > On completely different subject: Is there any possiblity of making
> > gnus understand "L\\vfdahl" above and display it (correctly) as
> > "Löfdahl"?
> 
> Why should "L\\vfdahl" be displayed as "Löfdahl"?

Because my name is Löfdahl and Wesley's software (and other software
too, I have noticed) chose to represent it as L\\vfdahl (see his
message).  The "v" is an "ö" where the eighth bit has been zeroed, and
I guess the two backslashes is an escape sequence that should tell you
that that is what has happened.

> But -- yes, of course.  Just write a `gnus-article-display-hook'
> function do translate it.  :-)

Yes, I might have to do that, but that would only be a stupid piece of
code to fix just my problem.  I guess someone who knows more about
gnus and what different news/email software might do to from-addresses
(that's where the "Löfdahl" came from in the first place) could do a
more general fix.  (But I am not demanding a fix - with the number of
good things gnus already does with the messages I read, I thought this
might already be in there somewhere.  Surely I can't be the only
gnuser with non-ascii letters in my name.)

-- 
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  Lockheed Martin, Advanced Technology Center
  c/o O/H1-12, B/252, 3251 Hanover Street, Palo Alto, CA 94304
  lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com, mlofdahl@solar.stanford.edu

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Per Abrahamsen]

Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> I guess someone who knows more about gnus and what different
> news/email software might do to from-addresses (that's where the
> "Löfdahl" came from in the first place) could do a more general fix.

The more general fix is to find and junk whatever software that
replaces `ö' with `\\v'.  You cannot do that from within Gnus,
unfortunately.

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

> > Why should "L\\vfdahl" be displayed as "Löfdahl"?
> 
> Because my name is Löfdahl and Wesley's software (and other software
> too, I have noticed) chose to represent it as L\\vfdahl (see his
> message).  The "v" is an "ö" where the eighth bit has been zeroed, and
> I guess the two backslashes is an escape sequence that should tell you
> that that is what has happened.

Right.  I haven't seen that kind of encoding before.  What's it
called? 

The normal 7-bit representation of "Löfdahl" (with ISO-646-SE) is
"L|fdahl", I think.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Mats Löfdahl]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> 
> Mats Löfdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:
>
> > ...The "v" is an "ö" where the eighth bit has been zeroed, and I
> > guess the two backslashes is an escape sequence that should tell
> > you that that is what has happened.
> 
> Right.  I haven't seen that kind of encoding before.  What's it
> called?

As I tried to make apparent, I don't know very much about these
things, but I think the only place I've seen it is when my last name
has been corrupted in mail headers.  Maybe one could write some code
that scans the headers (or just the From header?) and replaces all
\\<x> sequences to \\<sethighbit(x)>.  But I guess one would like some
safe-guard against false hits.  Or maybe, as Per Abrahamsen pointed
out, one should try to encourage people to get software that doesn't
do the corrupting in the first place.  Anyway, this is really a very
small problem that I can easily live with.

> The normal 7-bit representation of "Löfdahl" (with ISO-646-SE) is
> "L|fdahl", I think.

Yes, that is what is sometimes called Swedish ASCII.  There is a
number of swedish people (me included) who read text without problem,
where }{|][\ are used for a-ring, a-twodots, o-twodots, A-ring,
A-twodots, O-twodots.

-- 
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  Lockheed Martin, Advanced Technology Center
  c/o O/H1-12, B/252, 3251 Hanover Street, Palo Alto, CA 94304
  lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com, mlofdahl@solar.stanford.edu

Re: 8 bits in citations (Was: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?)

[Juliusz Chroboczek]

In article <sda9195b4bu.fsf@sunbow.space.lockheed.com>,
  Mats L\"ofdahl <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com> writes:

ML> Yes, that is what is sometimes called Swedish ASCII.  There is a
ML> number of swedish people (me included) who read text without
ML> problem, where }{|][\ are used for a-ring, a-twodots, o-twodots,
ML> A-ring, A-twodots, O-twodots.

I've just upgraded charset.el to handle ISO646-SE.  That means that if
you are using TM, then you simply say:

    (setq gnus-newsgroup-default-charset-alist
          '(("swedish" . iso646-se)))

then messages will be automatically displayed with the above
interpretation in all groups whose name contains `swedish'.  The
a-list is indexed by regexps.  And beware: although IANA calls the
8-bit character sets something like `ISO-8859-1', the 7-bit ones are
called `ISO646-SE' (no dash after the `ISO').

You'll need:

    /anonymous@ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk:/pub/jec/programs/charset.tar.gz

On the other hand, the \\v business is not a charset, but an encoding,
so it is not in my area of competence :-).  (By the way, once you
decide to use an encoding, and therefore to be unreadable by the
average mortal, why not include the name of the charset used?)

      Juliusz `complicated name with no national characters' Chroboczek

Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?

[Brent B. Powers]

Michael R. Cook writes:
 > From: Michael R Cook <mcook@cognex.com>
 > To: ding@ifi.uio.no
 > Subject: Re: sgnus -> rgnus -> qgnus?
 > Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:41:58 -0400
 > 
 > >>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
 > 
 >  >> There are only two problems with Quinoa....  First of all, it's not a
 >  >> fruit, it's a grain.
 > 
 >  LMI> Who are we to quibble?
 > 
 >  >> Secondly, the pronunciation is so odd that only
 >  >> those truly interested in esoterica will be able to pronounce it
 >  >> properly (Think Keen-wah, accent on the first syllable).
 > 
 >  LMI> I think that's a feature, not a bug.  :-)
 > 
 > If you'd like a difficult-to-pronounce, okay-if-not-quiet-a-fruit, Q-name, I
 > can do one better: Quincunx Gnus.
 > 
 > \'kwin-,k*n(k)s : an arrangement of five plant parts.
 > 
 > It's got the "Gnus 5" base covered, too. :-)

Hmmm, more generally, ANY arrangement of 5 parts... but it was such a
god-awfully bad novel (a Dicken's wannabe, without the charm... I kept
waiting for McCawber (sp?) to show up)