From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15433 invoked from network); 25 May 2022 18:20:38 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 May 2022 18:20:38 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ntvcZ-000COH-6r for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 13:20:35 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ntvcY-0090Ua-Qy for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 13:20:34 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ntvcW-0090UR-Jn for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 25 May 2022 13:20:32 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ntvcT-000CO6-6P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 25 May 2022 13:20:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g8ToO6cmh+dUvGn5SdqtRKvvxdUcxfva8USvt/KhRdk=; b=YH3GLvosblFJDZOmfQulfbPHTY nQH2I91sjftpoWrLXGuY49b47Ld+tol6vYnw0Pn5z+6qVHq8kTH0xCJNVlxfM5pdfQsaspq049SCF li0TeKxHeeBkR8ageB1wIaf1wkBSBoItEAiCPSqlb97MZGxwzwfJWrNJb1KjJkdaZtyo=; Received: from mail.hardakers.net ([168.150.192.181]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntvcK-00046Z-1l for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 25 May 2022 20:20:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 938CE2069C; Wed, 25 May 2022 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Erik Colson Cc: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: maildir and gnus References: <87tub3da40.fsf@ecocode.net> <87h773lnui.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87v8ul32dh.fsf@ecocode.net> Face: 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 Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 11:20:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87v8ul32dh.fsf@ecocode.net> (Erik Colson's message of "Wed, 04 May 2022 14:31:54 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Erik Colson writes: > So I finally installed the thing: mbsync / dovecot / nnimap > > Still some issues but not speed actually. Adding my past few years experience: 1. I went from using nnimap to offlineimap->maildir folders a large number of years ago. It worked generally well, allowed easy offline support (better than offline mode somewhat). NOV files would build up though, so I built a script to clean them. After large quantities of time (order 2-5 years), it did seem to get slower and slower (probably from id number lists expanding, but that's a guess). Anyway, with a recent desktop that no longer moves around I moved it back to nnimap and its *much* faster than my previous offlineimap method. I don't mean just for the transfer though. I tried mbsync and got it working, but for some reason nnimap is faster in most respects. Gnus scanning nnmaildir directories took probably 5-10 times longer than nnimap when fetching new mail. Also, another downside of offline/mbsync -> maildir is that it marks everything as "not new" on the server because you are in fact pulling it by pulling it (ok, I assume this is true for mbsync -- I didn't verify that). There is probably a way to hack the new flag back on the imap side, but I never tried. With nnimap, the new flag remains correct and thus other clients or biff-like utilities continue to work properly. -- Wes Hardaker My Pictures: http://photos.capturedonearth.com/