From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/5486 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: hidden citation button gotchas Date: 08 Mar 1996 17:07:28 -0500 Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Sender: gsstark@fierce-bad-rabbit.MIT.EDU Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035146083 492 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 20:34:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: ding-request@ifi.uio.no Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09530 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:34:09 -0800 Original-Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:07:38 +0100 Original-Received: from FIERCE-BAD-RABBIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00999; Fri, 8 Mar 96 17:06:55 EST Original-Received: by fierce-bad-rabbit.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA03681; Fri, 8 Mar 96 17:07:32 -0500 Original-To: ding@ifi.uio.no In-Reply-To: gnus-bug@ifi.uio.no's message of 08 Mar 1996 20:35:21 +0100 Original-Lines: 21 X-Mailer: September Gnus v0.49/Emacs 19.30 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:5486 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:5486 The more i use Gnus, the more i get suspicious of its use of text properties to hide headers, cited text, and signatures. My uneasiness comes from the way i can copy and paste text from the article and never know that i copied the hidden text until i either save and reopen a file, or until i post news i see the posting. i think this is really dangerous and not in line with the principle of least-surprise. There are two other possible implementations, one is too actually remove the hidden text, the other is to use overlays instead of text properties. With overlays it would be possible to hide the hidden text and insert [...] buttons without actually changing the text, so if you copied the text to another buffer all the [...] and -- buttons would be magically transformed to the hidden text as soon as you pasted, instead of later. If you used the overlay property after-text then the resulting text would even be free of extraneous buttons. This overlay solution would solve the supercite problem of inserting cited text with buttons and hidden text instead of the original. -- greg