From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/4027 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: September Gnus 0.13 is released Date: 17 Nov 1995 07:18:41 -0500 Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Sender: gsstark@fierce-bad-rabbit.MIT.EDU Message-ID: References: <9511152213.AA01558@amber.umsl.edu> <199511161531.KAA22183@thuban.gsfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035144834 28297 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 20:13:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@ifi.uio.no Return-Path: ding-request@ifi.uio.no Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miranova.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA05852 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 05:28:13 -0800 Original-Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:18:45 +0100 Original-Received: from FIERCE-BAD-RABBIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03304; Fri, 17 Nov 95 07:17:48 EST Original-Received: by fierce-bad-rabbit.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA15742; Fri, 17 Nov 95 07:18:42 -0500 Original-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of 17 Nov 1995 01:48:34 +0100 Original-Lines: 26 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:4027 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:4027 > I just find it a lot easier to write code when I don't have to wrap > everything in `(and (fboundp))'. When I write ugly code I get > depressed. So I write less code. Being able to say "`(list ,my)" > instead of "(` (list (, my)))" is a great relief. :-) > > So, like, 19.28 people can get by with 5.0.12. It's a working Gnus. > September Gnus is alpha, and has quite a lot of neat stuff in it, but > there's nothing really Earth-shattering about it. I'ld like to point out that it's not just 19.28 support you're dropping, if compiled under 19.28 it works find under at least 19.25 -- 19.29. Here some machines run 19.25, some 19.28 and some 19.29, and I've been able to support all of these by building sgnus and gnus 5 under Emacs 19.28. There's really no excuse for using `(foo) in code that isn't part of Emacs itself. The support for the syntax was intented largely for compatibility with code written for XEmacs or for Common Lisp code. Writing new code using it is just pointlessly writing unportable code. If anything it makes _more_ sense for September Gnus to be written portably than Gnus 5 since Gnus 5 is packaged with Emacs and September Gnus is only usable as a separate package. greg