From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33529 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Doug Bagley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: lost .newsrc.eld, invisible messages, unkillable nil group ... Date: 30 Nov 2000 20:11:42 -0600 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169619 25624 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:06:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA02D049B for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:15:39 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAB09227; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:12:11 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:11:33 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03898 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:11:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mail.deja.com (unknown [64.57.170.34]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE84CD049B for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:11:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from yow.dejanews.com (yow.dejanews.com [205.238.143.191]) by mail.deja.com (8.11.1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id eB12BgX28788 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:11:42 -0600 Original-Received: (doug@localhost) by yow.dejanews.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id UAA19327; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:11:43 -0600 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "|NaWfYJ-]P="T#?R.9}QgGuFXUd@3vi[.E2q-;"NV3+k_y@zreL2w^ts0XPXt t9^9{uQ@.cu2GgUgK9@HXC\a}Rtah}0'eT~>or7[~Hd?;!\Bpo#"3w>0a0ft-MvvZ X-Disclaimer: I am solely responsible for this message. Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0805 (Gnus v5.8.5) XEmacs/21.2 (Nike) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33529 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33529 I'm experiencing a variety of problems with gnus (currently using 5.8.7), and I'd like to know if there is a remedy. As background, I use nnfolder as my primary backend and read occasional newsgroups as foreign groups from various servers. 1) I have lost my .newsrc.eld a few times over the past year (Xemacs crashes, or something similarly horrible). I have sometimes had a backup version I could use ... but sometimes not. If gnus could prevent .newsrc.eld lossage, or else recover more gracefully, that would be really nice. Right now, if I press "F" in Groups buffer, it tells me that one new group has arrived, but it does not appear. 2) I have consistently had an unkillable group named "nil" at the top level of my topics, and it's a bit annoying, but I haven't felt it justified its own message, but I thought I'd throw it in here while I'm at it. I suppose this may be due to my feeble attempts at .newsrc.eld recovery ... 3) But most worrisome to me is that I have on a number occasions, for example, seen a "1" next to a group name in the Group buffer, indicating a new mail, hit Return on the group name, and the number of mails indicated goes to zero, and I don't get to read the new mail. Yet it is there if I load that folder into a buffer (outside gnus). Initially it occurred to me that my active file is busted, so I looked in my ~/News/active file, and somehow some Incoming* files got in there. That shouldn't happen. Then when I try to rebuild my active file with nnfolder-generate-active-file, It croaked trying to build some sent-mail.* folders, so I moved them out of my News directory, by hand. Anyway, the nnfolder-generate-active-file does not recover the "invisible" emails. They are in the folder, yet have become permanently invisible to gnus. In one folder that has 5 messages, and the last message is "invisible", I see X-Gnus-Article-Number's like this: X-Gnus-Article-Number: 3 Wed Jun 9 21:15:10 1999 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 4 Mon Jun 26 17:48:28 2000 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 5 Wed Jul 5 07:19:33 2000 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 13 Wed Jul 5 07:16:26 2000 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 6 Thu Nov 30 08:51:14 2000 I don't know if that's part of the problem. I really wish there were a function: gnus-rebuild-all-meta-info-and-make-everything-right I'd be happy to hear any suggestions, condolences, flames ... Cheers, Doug