From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41664 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mailing lists and news archiving Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:09:08 -0800 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87lmfc8qem.fsf@lackawana.kippona.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177026 7404 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 18671 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 02:10:14 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 02:10:14 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16N2ki-0001SR-00; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:09:36 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:09:28 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17638 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:09:18 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 18639 invoked by alias); 6 Jan 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 18634 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (171.64.13.23) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 18874 invoked by uid 50); 6 Jan 2002 02:09:08 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <87lmfc8qem.fsf@lackawana.kippona.com> ((Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com's message of "Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:00:01 -0500") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41664 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41664 Chris Beggy writes: > I'm happy to peer for feeds, but I need to have an estimate of the rate > of archive growth before I commit to /no expiry/ on those groups. I'd also be happy to peer for feeds, and I can give some pointers on how to send control messages and the like. > Maybe Russ or somebody with deja-news.com experience can shed light on > these issues. Here are some things to think about: * Spammers troll Usenet for addresses aggressively, perhaps more so than with the web and definitely more than with mailing lists. It's quite possible that when a mailing list is gated to Usenet, the spam load of the participants will increase. At least, some people will worry about that and complain. * Most mailing lists actually are gated out there somewhere in some poorly distributed hierarchy. There really needs to be some sort of central, organized hierarchy for gating mailing lists, but in the interim you can't really get away with using the mailing list message IDs since invariably you'll collide with some other gateway and you'll only see some of the messages. That means assigning new message IDs to each message as you gate it, and that means rewriting References so that threading still works. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)