From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: new spam functionality added Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:34:57 -0700 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028262918 21309 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2002 04:35:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17aU9l-0005Xa-00 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 06:35:17 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17aU9w-0001Yf-00; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:35:28 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13860 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 11019 invoked by alias); 2 Aug 2002 04:35:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 11014 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 04:35:08 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (171.64.13.23) by gnus.org with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 04:35:08 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23950 invoked by uid 50); 2 Aug 2002 04:34:58 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> ("Jason R. Mastaler"'s message of "Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:29:25 -0600") Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.4 (Honest Recruiter, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45970 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45970 Jason R Mastaler writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> It's refusal to jump through other people's hoops so that they can >> receive my mail. > Do you have the same objections to confirming a mailing list > subscription? No. > What's the difference? That's a service that I'm requesting, and the confirmation protects *me* against forged subscriptions to mailing lists. It is also a one-time cost to pay for an ongoing stream of mail, whereas with individual confirmations I have to keep confirming my mail to individuals I only mail once. > Of course. Have you actually taken a look at TMDA, or are you just > making assumptions here? I'm not making any assumptions. My message spelled out in great detail specifically what I was objecting to. If you're using TMDA in some other configuration, then I'm not objecting to that, am I? I have encountered people with TMDA configured precisely along the lines that I've previously described. I don't confirm my mail to them. It's a waste of my time, which I consider valuable and refuse to allow be wasted in that fashion. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)