From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33029 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: ognus Date: 31 Oct 2000 01:07:16 -0800 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <2nwvetu80i.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> <200010291739.RAA06135@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <200010302322.XAA08221@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169212 23031 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:00:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1F7D049A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:05 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAB14156; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:07:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:07:07 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16145 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:06:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.13.23]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EE18BD049A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:07:23 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (qmail 551 invoked by uid 50); 31 Oct 2000 09:07:17 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Dave Love's message of "Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:22:11 GMT" Original-Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33029 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33029 Dave Love writes: > Certainly things after 5.8.7 don't look too stable and 5.8.7 was > apparently released with mail-source-delete-incoming turned off, for > instance, even if there's notthing else seriously wrong with it. 5.8.7 has multiple outstanding bugs, some of which are just annoying (random failures to decode format=flowed that go away when I peer at them funny, the random inclusion of NNTP responses in the article headers, some weird slowness when only a few newsgroups have additional articles when you press 'g') and some of which seem more serious (complete inability to encode some corrupted types of messages with non-ASCII characters that I run into when forwarding spam ranging from a whole sequence of odd "message has unknown characters" questions to aborting errors about functions being called with the wrong numbers of arguments). I've reported some of these to this list. I tried using the bug-reporting command and discovered that it included in the e-mail message tons of information that I consider private, such as my entire split ruleset, so that was a bit of a non-starter. Some of the rest I can't reproduce well enough to generate a bug report for, although I'll give it another try when I run into a good test case. > You might think or hope that. You might hope that everybody with CVS > write access would have an assignment on file and that no-one else > checked in anything dubious. If you were Gerd or me, you'd be > disappointed and waste a lot of time on the issue. > rms was right to worry about the situation more than I did previously. It's staggeringly difficult to run a successful free software project with many contributors and the GNU copyright submission rules. I'm very impressed by those people who manage it; I know from trying to manage INN development that it would be a complete non-starter for us. This isn't a complaint; I know why they exist. But it's really bloody hard. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)