From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44720 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Copyright/license issues (was: [COMMIT] sign & encrypt changes) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:55:04 -0700 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87adrjse42.fsf@alum.wpi.edu> <87wuunyrl4.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <87u1pqbsl3.fsf@alum.wpi.edu> <87bsby4oy8.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <87lmb2336u.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <87662631te.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <87wuum1lwl.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <3cx9mgs1.fsf@mail.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020711443 25359 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2002 18:57:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 174nfm-0006an-00 for ; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:57:22 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 174ne2-00073a-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 13:55:34 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 06 May 2002 13:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03497 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:55:36 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 20135 invoked by alias); 6 May 2002 18:55:16 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 20130 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 18:55:16 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (171.64.13.23) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 May 2002 18:55:16 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 6854 invoked by uid 50); 6 May 2002 18:55:04 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Per Abrahamsen's message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 13:53:51 +0200") Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44720 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44720 Per Abrahamsen writes: > It was archaic case 10 years ago, when Emacs was large compared to > normal hard disks. Today, Emacs is a tiny application by modern > standards, and unbundling make a lot less sense than it used to. And package management systems make life hard for people like me, who are trying to maintain a central software installation in an unusual file system like AFS. They mostly assume that you can just blithely install stuff into the compiled-in paths, which of course isn't true in AFS which requires one to install into a different location and then release. I really like XEmacs (much better than Emacs) from an installation perspective, but that's not because of the packaging system. That's because the sumo tarballs have considerably more stuff bundled than the Emacs, which reduces the amount of stuff I have to hunt down separately and install myself. I often don't even bother because building is too much of a pain, which means that XEmacs users have more Lisp packages available than Emacs users. It would be really cool if someone would put together a Sumo equivalent for Emacs containing the stuff that has unclear licensing that the FSF can't ship with Emacs itself. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)