From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33740 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Disable generation of "Sender: " by default. Date: 17 Dec 2000 14:57:37 -0800 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169788 26656 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:09:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from lisa.math.uh.edu (lisa.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.49]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC8DD049D for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:58:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAB29664; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:58:02 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:57:25 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07635 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:57:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.13.23]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A66ED049D for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (qmail 18143 invoked by uid 50); 17 Dec 2000 22:57:37 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "17 Dec 2000 11:31:11 -0500" Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33740 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33740 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > RFC 1036: Sender exists as a crude authentication mechanism. Sender is > the authenticated (by software) local mailbox of the originator of the > message when that mailbox differs from the one in the originator header. > Ie, if I am on, say, skuld.gweep.net w/ login 'ratinox' and I post a > news article with 'grumble@bogus.com' as my From header, then some > program somewhere must generate 'Sender: ratinox@skuld.gweep.net'. > They are not even vaguely close to each other. My opinion is that RFC > 1036's Sender is badly broken, because it utterly fails to accomplish > its goal. RFC 822's Sender does exactly what it is intended to do, no > more, no less. I'm fairly sure USEFOR drops the entire broken idea of a Sender header, thankfully. LISTSERV still responds to the Sender header rather than the From header, checks the Sender header to see if you can post to a list, and if you try to subscribe to a mailing list, subscribes the content of your Sender header instead of your From address. That's why I turned off Sender in my Gnus settings; it's easier to do that than it is to try to argue with Eric Thomas that his software is doing something really stupid. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)