From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23547 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: some mail annoyances Date: 24 Jun 1999 22:10:43 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161260 2614 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:47:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03326 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAB05176; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:11:36 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25254 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.12.23]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA03197 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (qmail 23842 invoked by uid 50); 25 Jun 1999 05:10:44 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Per Bothner's message of "24 Jun 1999 14:19:19 -0700" Original-Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23547 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23547 Per Bothner writes: > Gnus *could* be that recommended mailer for everybody using Emacs. It > is very close - it just needs a little bit of usability engineering, > some tweaking of the defaults, and some better documentation It > certainly has the power and flexibility. However, the defaults are a > bit unnatural, the standard keybindings are optimized for news rather > than mail, and there is no good introduction to using Gnus. (The latter > should *start* by explaining how to use it for mail, since that is what > people need *first*.) For what it's worth, everyone I've converted to Gnus I've converted by introducing them to Gnus for news and then over time pointing out that the news interface is a lot better for handling mail too than the mail reader they're currently using and eventually getting them to use Gnus for mail as well. That's the transition path I followed myself. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)