From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46867 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:11:27 -0700 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033438356 16969 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2002 02:12:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 02:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17wCWY-0004Oj-00 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 04:12:34 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17wCWK-0003ei-00; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26004 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:12:48 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 22566 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 2002 02:12:03 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 22558 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 02:11:59 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (171.64.13.23) by gnus.org with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 02:11:59 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14477 invoked by uid 50); 1 Oct 2002 02:11:27 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "30 Sep 2002 15:15:15 -0400") Original-Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Honest Recruiter, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46867 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46867 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > * Russ Allbery on Sun, 29 Sep 2002 > | It shouldn't. It should be using overview for that information. > Overview is a feature of the NNTP client specifications. Not all news > readers use NNTP. This is, for all intents and purposes, no longer true. > For example, a reader looking at a local spool Essentially no one does this any more. There may be one or two people who are doing this out of a sense of nostalgia, but using NNTP to localhost is faster, more reliable, and offers considerably more features. And you have the ability to do that already if you have the news in the first place, unless you're just faking a local spool using a suck utility (and why you'd do that rather than just use an off-line reader, which does basically the same thing but a lot more reliably and with better control, escapes me). It's utterly pointless to do try to use the local spool unless you're doing it for the same reason that you'd be programming on a Commodore 64 or porting gcc to a PDP-11. Even the hard-line old Unix clients are starting to drop support for reading from a local spool. Not to mention that roughly 10% of the Lines headers seen in the wild on Usenet are completely wrong. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)