From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45968 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: new spam functionality added Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:43:21 -0700 Organization: The Eyrie Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028259847 16883 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2002 03:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17aTME-0004OB-00 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:44:06 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17aTLv-0001Is-00; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:43:47 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:44:14 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13782 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 10005 invoked by alias); 2 Aug 2002 03:43:28 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 10000 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 03:43:28 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (171.64.13.23) by gnus.org with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 03:43:28 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23534 invoked by uid 50); 2 Aug 2002 03:43:21 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: ("Jason R. Mastaler"'s message of "Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:05:00 -0600") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.4 (Honest Recruiter, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45968 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45968 Jason R Mastaler writes: > While I don't feel such animosity is warranted, I've heard it before, > and understand where it's coming from. Unwillingness to accept the > severity of the spam problem, and the fact that the Internet isn't the > place it used to be. It's not unwillingness to accept anything. It's refusal to jump through other people's hoops so that they can receive my mail. Spam sucks. I deal with it. Other people can too. There are a lot of different tactics that can work. Making people go to more effort to send you mail isn't one that I'm willing to support by extending that effort. > Unfortunately, boycotting TMDA users will do nothing to help the > problem. You aren't teaching anyone a lesson with such behavior. If you use TMDA in a configuration that requires me confirm my mail when I send it to you, then you simply won't receive mail from me. I am of the somewhat egotistical opinion that in general you'll lose more from not receiving mail from me than I'll lose in not being able to send mail to you, since I'm more frequently answering questions than asking them. If you can live with simply cutting off communication with people like me as acceptable lossage in keeping away the spam, then more power to you. If you ever want to get mail from me, you'll write to me with a repliable address; requiring confirmation renders the e-mail address unrepliable as far as I'm concerned and I will treat it accordingly. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)