From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/47480 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: posting-charset abolition Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:15:56 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035983822 24936 80.91.224.249 (30 Oct 2002 13:17:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 186siO-0006TR-00 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:16:56 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 186siU-00048q-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:17:02 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:17:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA14077 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:17:30 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 20781 invoked by alias); 30 Oct 2002 13:16:12 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 20776 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 13:16:12 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO mars.web-hosting.com) (207.228.244.150) by gnus.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 13:16:12 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([207.228.245.242]) by mars.web-hosting.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9UDGAU28244 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:16:11 -0500 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Military Intelligence (RC3), sparc-sun-solaris2.6) X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( Cancel-Lock: sha1:mxQL8HIeK9aQonuEL5sxi2Z09u8= X-Hashcash: 021030:ding@gnus.org:04025dab2df1a865 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:47480 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:47480 Hi, I'm planning to make a proposal to abolish the group parameter posting-charset-alist and the variable message-posting-charset. I write a story from the beginning: Gnus always puts the ``Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit'' header into news articles to be sent by default. Since Japanese news articles use the iso-2022-jp charset normally, putting CTE: 8bit is nonsense (iso-2022-jp never uses 8-bit data). It is caused by the default value for the posting-charset-alist group parameter, which contains the element (message-this-is-news nil t). See the docstring for the variable gnus-group-posting-charset-alist for details. By default, the iso-8859-1 charset is used for posting news articles to Norwegian or French newsgroups. However, please consider. Though it is unlikely to post a Japanese article to a Norwegian group, a posting-charset should be determined by article contents rather than a newsgroup name. Even if there is a candidate of two or more charsets for article contents, we can decide the priorities by the option mm-coding-system-priorities. I am anxious about the following info description: When posting, `gnus-group-posting-charset-alist' is used to determine which charsets should not be encoded using the MIME encodings. For instance, some hierarchies discourage using quoted-printable header encoding. Do such newsgroups exist even now? By the way, now I'm using the following code not to add the CTE: 8bit header to news articles: (eval-after-load "gnus-msg" '(if (boundp 'gnus-group-posting-charset-alist) (let ((news (assq 'message-this-is-news gnus-group-posting-charset-alist))) (if news (setcdr news '(nil nil)))))) -- Katsumi Yamaoka