From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/38352 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sudish Joseph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: `new' indicator for nnimap groups? Date: 27 Aug 2001 12:59:28 -0400 Organization: Gnus Information Center Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035174228 21890 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 11299 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2001 17:00:23 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (195.204.10.139) by gnus.org with SMTP; 27 Aug 2001 17:00:23 -0000 Original-Received: (from news@localhost) by quimby.gnus.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05596 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.eng.mindspring.net Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 998931619 30324 207.69.192.184 (27 Aug 2001 17:00:19 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 17:00:19 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) XEmacs/21.2 (Hera) Original-Lines: 34 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:38352 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:38352 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >> When I did this for nnmaildir, I tried to make it so it would be easy >> to manipulate the marks from, say, your shell, using ln, mv, rm, and >> such. So this information is fairly accessible to non-Gnusy things. > Sure. But I meant other people; not other programs. Storing the bits > that says how you're reading a repository of information in the > repository means that somebody else can't do the same. > That's pretty academic for mail groups, but for all other groups, it's > important. [ Apologies for the long-delayed followups, but these be interesting topics. ] Having Gnus' metadata (i.e., .newsrc.eld) be network-transparent would be very cool. IMAP allows server-side state, so nnimap is in good shape here. However, stuff like nntp would benefit from similar network-accessible state storage. There's even an existing protocol that could be used: ACAP. Here's the Project Cyrus web page on ACAP: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/acap/ Some vendors have already integrated ACAP or its ancestor, IMSP, into IMAP clients. For instance, here's a paper on integration in Mulberry (an IMAP client): ftp://ftp.cyrusoft.com/pub/Mulberry/docs/imsp_guide.pdf Another application, detailed in that last paper, would be to transform Gnus' splitting information into SIEVE format and store in in an ACAP server. -- Sudish Joseph