[Edbrowse-dev] Ongoing Work

[Edbrowse-dev] Ongoing Work

[Karl Dahlke]

Adam, I like your thoughts and ideas; please continue to post them,
even if you seem at the outset to be in the minority.
You have been such an enormous help to us over the past two years.

I am moving forward with the enhanced mime type, and link to content,
and connection to downloads, as per our discussions last week.
This one doesn't make my brain ache, so forward I march.
I already pushed a few changes along these lines.
One push fixes a bug in the makefile
that has been there for a while.

This summer I'd like to make more structural changes,
as we did with the separate js process.
In other words, I'd like to jump back in.
We need to keep pushing, to make this a real project,
or in Adam's words, "relevant".
I've been distracted lately by other things,
like a very important (personal) court case that finally finished last week,
and a math problem that's been sitting in my head for 35 years
and I finally decided god damn it to solve it.
It's really quite beautiful.
http://articles.eklhad.net/jumping
But I think next month things will settle down
and I can put more time / effort into edbrowse.
Of course we need to pick our design and direction carefully,
because a minute of thought is worth a megabyte of programming,
in any project.
A good rule of thumb is that if all three of us agree on a design,
then we should move forward with it.
That has worked well so far.

I'm guessing the use of tidy5 to parse html and create a tree of objects
should be the next structural change.
And then getting a version of imap to run; though the three of us don't need it,
it is often requested by users,
and I might like it if I had it and got use to it.

Karl Dahlke

Re: [Edbrowse-dev] Ongoing Work

[Adam Thompson]

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:37:04AM -0400, Karl Dahlke wrote:
> Adam, I like your thoughts and ideas; please continue to post them,
> even if you seem at the outset to be in the minority.
> You have been such an enormous help to us over the past two years.

Thanks. It's interesting to get to work on a project like this,
particularly as I need it in day-to-day work.

> I am moving forward with the enhanced mime type, and link to content,
> and connection to downloads, as per our discussions last week.
> This one doesn't make my brain ache, so forward I march.
> I already pushed a few changes along these lines.
> One push fixes a bug in the makefile
> that has been there for a while.

Whilst thinking about this mime type thing,
I wonder if we shouldn't have mailcap support, i.e.
something like (not sure what the http header is for this, I assume same as the mailcap file):
mime {
contenttype=application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.presentationml.presentation
viewer=mailcap
}

That'd consult the mailcap mechanism for a pptx converter in the event that I
don't care about html formatting (which with powerpoints is usually the case).
Of course this is a bit contrived as I'd probably want to download these files,
but I've had cases where I'd actually rather display them,
so being able to type space at the download prompt then pb to just convert the
thing to text would be rather nice.
> This summer I'd like to make more structural changes,
> as we did with the separate js process.
> In other words, I'd like to jump back in.
> We need to keep pushing, to make this a real project,
> or in Adam's words, "relevant".
> I've been distracted lately by other things,
> like a very important (personal) court case that finally finished last week,
> and a math problem that's been sitting in my head for 35 years
> and I finally decided god damn it to solve it.
> It's really quite beautiful.
> http://articles.eklhad.net/jumping
> But I think next month things will settle down
> and I can put more time / effort into edbrowse.

Glad to hear that, will read the article when I finish writing this.

> Of course we need to pick our design and direction carefully,
> because a minute of thought is worth a megabyte of programming,
> in any project.
> A good rule of thumb is that if all three of us agree on a design,
> then we should move forward with it.
> That has worked well so far.

Agreed.

> 
> I'm guessing the use of tidy5 to parse html and create a tree of objects
> should be the next structural change.
> And then getting a version of imap to run; though the three of us don't need it,
> it is often requested by users,
> and I might like it if I had it and got use to it.

I know imap is *often* requested, but I'm still not entirely convinced,
given the way email works in edbrowse, that we should do it,
particularly as there are existing programs like mailx (provided by a bunch of
debian packages at least) which provide a very ed-like email interface to email
already and support many more features than edbrowse's email support.
I've actually looked at switching from mutt to a version of mailx (the
heirloom-mailx version was the one I was thinking)
because I kind of like the interface,
but I'm just a bit too attached to my mutt config at the moment.

What I'd like to see, as per previous posts,
is a switch to separating out the sources of stuff to render (i.e.
text files, DOM etc) from the actual rendering code,
and the rendering code from the buffering mechanism.
Obviously this is going to be a bit complicated,
but I think it's worth at least exploring.
This is currently partially done, but increasing the separation will be useful
when looking at the next stage of this project.

Cheers,
Adam.

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