Someone suggested calling up the login page instead of the home page to save debug output and time etc, and yes that works. I took the session ID off of the login url, and all the search stuff, and went to this page. https://www.amazon.com/gp/navigation/redirector.html/ref=sign-in-redirect Since the session id was not in the path it barked, but oblidgingly made me a new one, and told me to enable cookies. Fair enough. Still the login fields were there, and I put Wendys credentials in and I'm in. http://www.eklhad.net/amazon.wendy.5 But let's take another step. After line 520 in jseng-duk.c, insert a return statement. Now there are no timers. They don't set and thus they don't run. Still I can sign in. http://www.eklhad.net/amazon.notimers.5 That eliminates more debug stuff, and the chattiness that Chuck talks about. It also supports what I said a week ago, maybe we should have a switch to turn timers off, that only we would use for debugging. I'll probably implement that, but not as crude as described above. Probably allow timers to set, just don't run them. Have to think about that for a bit. Anyways, let's carry on. If any of you wants to send me your login and password I'll try login over here, to eliminate more variables. Send privately of course, eklhad@gmail.com which is encrypted. Karl Dahlke