From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:36; helo=resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net; envelope-from=eklhad@comcast.net; receiver= Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:36]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34CF877CAA for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id nJdLetAdbX4YHnJdLe8u9j; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:43:39 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1518939819; bh=XrwEJntIupS6TWEji2aJi7gcFyavFbMXefdJTS9i3fo=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Reply-to:Subject:Date:Message-ID: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=KtWg/sj/6ul8i9M4h5vJQ9sjar7c++q48vRU+fzzka5cCqXSQ/qAswk7J/vjXXhyl 286M+r/409dzlZc09sfBxB0ss1wP/Ge9CLlHJpPz3QE5ktzxYdp0PY9V9DpKhHT0zy UOGpOvz3331EJspfVDXfoiLUGfeiv0zmMnRXyVeRlS+jjq2iODF2ZiGsKTtoSSrod+ LxECNn+KT22DdH42lzsq+dJOfcXn+PziJVCra6Y1OUL2JxOuiY/nl/DKBqCX2wwp2O pd/lTTt0BBJo/K+On8vJi71E1R+/n+f11KCreP8/1plg3t5qjFn4mTK/fpwuFpi7BQ gC2milFio1iUg== Received: from unknown ([IPv6:2601:408:c300:8f09:21e:4fff:fec2:a0f1]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id nJdKeGUihWbkhnJdKea1v4; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:43:38 +0000 To: Edbrowse-dev@lists.the-brannons.com From: Karl Dahlke Reply-to: Karl Dahlke References: <20180115065635.eklhad@comcast.net> User-Agent: edbrowse/3.7.1 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 02:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <20180118024338.eklhad@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=nextpart-eb-047837 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMcq2N0IUz8wqSFvzn6WDqmgkULN+oM8loLFJUcZveHNF/uAsuAxM/SqHjVxpwGiQEoCIaTuFDW9CaV5ByHAPcB0qK0DUnaPDuLOXlsx0eeH3BpqVWlC QN3fS2ji0qVKHtbGICDpFaSvTbwY0EA/QjobL4xhyC7rk+ZJ+AOeWtxW Subject: [Edbrowse-dev] version X-BeenThere: edbrowse-dev@lists.the-brannons.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Edbrowse Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:42:47 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --nextpart-eb-047837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know, it may be more complicated than that. I use google.com a zillion times a day, and it may throw all sorts of = js errors under edbrowse, but I don't care because I run with nojs google.com In other words, I can perform the public search without js. facebook.com is probably a nightmare, but I can use mobile.facebook.com = just fine, even without js. The question might be, which sites are high runner, and important to = function properly, and also require js. These are usually more than just browse. Some like amazon that you order products, or paypal.com for financial, = or any of the banking sites. These are the steepest in terms of js complexity, and they may even = have those nasty js tests to see if your browser is proper, but they are among the most important in terms of accessibility. My entire line-oriented approach / philosophy doesn't really work if I = can't do my banking online. I'd like to never ever ever have to run a screen program, that would be = my dream come true. Here's another approach: any website that puts up a message "Your browser doesn't support javascript", and I've seen a lot of these, we should track through and find out why it is saying that. It's like an acid test but real world. And it won't be easy because a lot of those tests are in try catch and = don't cause any errors that we can see. Can we somehow see errors that are hidden inside try catch? Maybe, see duktape.errCreate and Duktape.errThrow in the programmers = guide. And there are the acid tests themselves, which we should go back to = some day. Just a lot to do, and I need about 8 fulltime engineers to help me, but = I haven't won the lotto yet. Karl Dahlke --nextpart-eb-047837--