Karl and all, I just posted a zip file containing two logs of edbrowse attempting to sign into Amazon with db5 enabled, one that crashes and one that does not. The file is at www.panix.com/~chuxroom/amazon-crash-nocrash.zip It doesn't touch the failure to sign in, but it might help to corner the crash issue when db5 is activated. Chuck -- Here too, In Northeast Ohio, The Moon is Waning Crescent (5% of Full) When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sent from Glenda's iPhone.