From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-yb0-x22b.google.com (mail-yb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22b]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4AB1783A1 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id s8-v6so4804874ybe.8 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=hHmFMrhV3+EShOuCL5GMC/njdvSKUhmgYbbt8VB/vY8=; b=MwwU8AsL7n6vaAA04bL08DX67rqF9Dh2y/8Xzz1GKLqlO/aCrec97j3v2/3jjlB/hO FibNSnXqoeLz2JzWnROFUlXf7KQ1O99Pu/YXIFZva0xjdeOMO+Dji9MKEtLCqdMUybcj EseB07J48okOBCTvF/v6RReG39zZE3ZcX8mk6cZc0PiF5GTFLXyF7RRciAhtYgERJ6ll 6vRzP6sUSV6+TXynG2Sh1O/x4+AfaKPRxI+25iMJie88uk50PxUGtAHzdAAis8W2rxTE 9PSqRqFkoheNG2URSAjtP7bzxMp2j6ezbltLhp1rk6kVx90xTlqEyb9S7e0M9znd4jJM vuLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=hHmFMrhV3+EShOuCL5GMC/njdvSKUhmgYbbt8VB/vY8=; b=ZlqUBF7lqu+zxb5N6GxsOaZEECsUNd2ud9ILYHgm077m24dmhIxbHIxdzouSjD3BWC +whssvhNRLFcXktkFmoFaj9pXDNfDyu2dLGAFMqtDx4+Ucgf/vn3k6pbcL/ISc6CN4S3 275eRTUjww8g/X3OAWGmFgYyPDplaImj0cVibSiWsAvFylZPmCr4GADld2n6POlBOAvW edP7lloUpTn7xIsN6+bzxqlZ76Sw51n+fjzyAnPHu/6CFrQlMb4cNaVLXxDYx4BEdlIq uiDCsLJNDr9Dnq9iseliZo7fcAxyXtGJCZQxf1OHM06oVWLS9f3BZEsWLJTbkIhOPHUq rW9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFJkU3K43ZyvBUqlH791HL4o/eSqO6G+3JgGZSKGA8JL0SRfRSH ZBchY+tz2gM4jEhb/KbDe1M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcSvJSRP4Nal1vz7z3Tq+vJoY7jIM64eCYa417qK7O9voNl2OCuGLCOIiRAqCgeogiP0ESsKg== X-Received: by 2002:a25:ad8a:: with SMTP id z10-v6mr1301402ybi.259.1532102327798; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from workshop (99-13-41-4.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [99.13.41.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p186-v6sm1389926ywc.10.2018.07.20.08.58.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hallenbeck X-Google-Original-From: Chuck Hallenbeck Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 11:58:32 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: archie@workshop Reply-To: Chuck Hallenbeck To: Karl Dahlke cc: edbrowse-dev@lists.the-brannons.com Subject: Re: [edbrowse-dev] fastmail In-Reply-To: <20180620104806.eklhad@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <20180619175210.erwb19@free.fr> <20180620104806.eklhad@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.99 (LNX 239 2017-12-04) X-BeenThere: edbrowse-dev@edbrowse.org List-Id: Edbrowse Development List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Hi Karl, My daughter with her Windows laptop created an account for me on fastmail.com successfully. The kapcha took a form I have never seen before. Instead of an image to copy to an input field, it took the form of a series of statements to click on, each of them reading: I am not a robot When she clicked the submit button, it welcomed me by name, "Hello Chuck, Welcome to Fastmail ... " That's the good news. On my linux desktop, I entered: edbrowse www.fastmail.net and got their opening page again. Selecting the Log In link this time instead of the Sign Up link, I got to a page that said "3 lines were replaced by line 1" and the page before me was one line long, with no printable characters on that line. I thyped qt on that line, returned to my shell prompt, and once more typed: edbrowse www.fastmail.net and this time it opened the page where I had previously typed qt. In other words, it bypassed the opening screen. In order to test sending and receiving mail using the account I had created, I had to know the format of the smtp and imap servers (fastmail no longer supports the pop protocol) so I did a google search for: fastmail smtp server name I reached fastmail documentation and found what I think is a showstopper. I cannot use my account password to connect to their servers. Instead, I need to create and use an "app password". It turns out I can only create an app password for an app on their list of supported apps, and of course that list does not contain any Linux apps: no mutt, no alpine, and of course no edbrowse. I think I have run this into the ground, and will have to look elsewhere for an alternative to my gmail address. Too bad. The fastmail I knew and loved had lots of nice features and was totally accessible. I was mistaken to think their upgrade was now accessible just because their opening page seemed to be. I wonder how long it will be before google requires the use of an "app password"? To paraphrase our fearless leader: HEY RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, FIND ME AN ACCESSIBLE EMAIL SERVICE THAT LETS ME USE WHATEVER APP AND OS i WANT! Chuck -- Here too, In Northeast Ohio, The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (59% of Full) If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Sent from Viola's missing iPhone.