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From: Jean Joseph <jsjean00@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [HoTT] Re: Proof that something is an embedding without assuming excluded middle?
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:47:40 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0472bc2b-0212-48b9-bfe7-fb98c7916763@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0090c5e9-8e11-484c-953c-bf2958d03b72@googlegroups.com>


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I think to show this is an embedding may imply the law of double negation. 
For any proposition Q, let P = {0 : Z | Q}. Let A be defined as for all p : 
P, A(p) = 0 : P, and let B be defined as for all p : P, B(p) = not not (0 : 
P). To show that Pi (p : P), A(p) = Pi (p : P), B(p), you can define the 
following isomorphism (?): for any f : Pi (p : P), A(p), define g : Pi (p : 
P), B(p) by picking p : P, then f(p) : A(p), so Q is true. Hence, not not Q 
is true, meaning it has an element, so g(p) is that element. We then can 
conclude A = B. By function extensionality, that's equivalent to for all p 
: P, A (p) = B (p), which gives Q = not not Q. 

Jean

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-5, Martín Hötzel Escardó 
wrote:
>
> Let P be a subsingleton and 𝓤 be a universe, and consider the
> product map
>
>   Π : (P → 𝓤) → 𝓤
>          A     ↦ Π (p:P), A(p).
>
> Is this an embedding? (In the sense of having subsingleton
> fibers.)
>
> It is easy to see that this is the case if P=𝟘 or P=𝟙 (empty or
> singleton type).
>
> But the reasons are fundamentally different:
>
> (0) If P=𝟘, the domain of Π is equivalent to 𝟙, and Π amounts to
>     the map 𝟙 → 𝓤 with constant value 𝟙.
>
>     In general, a function 𝟙 → X into a type X is *not* an
>     embedding. Such a function is an embedding iff it maps the
>     point of 𝟙 to a point x:X such that the type x=x is a
>     singleton.
>
>     And indeed for X:=𝓤 we have that the type 𝟙=𝟙 is a singleton.
>
> (1) If P=𝟙, the domain of Π is equivalent to 𝓤, and Π amounts to
>     the identity map 𝓤 → 𝓤, which, being an equivalence, is an
>     embedding.
>
> Question. Is there a uniform proof that Π as above for P a
> subsingleton is an embedding, without considering the case
> distinction (P=𝟘)+(P=𝟙)?
>
> Martin
>
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-13 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-13 20:32 [HoTT] " Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-13 20:36 ` [HoTT] " Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-13 23:47 ` Jean Joseph [this message]
2018-11-14 10:23   ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-14 11:07     ` Paolo Capriotti
2018-11-14 15:52       ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-15 11:05         ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-15 19:23           ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-15 19:29             ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-15 22:26               ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-15 23:38                 ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-14 19:00       ` Martín Hötzel Escardó

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