From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Received: by 10.28.209.203 with SMTP id i194mr879990wmg.4.1473678866031; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: homotopytypetheory@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.28.197.136 with SMTP id v130ls1307528wmf.14.canary; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.198.133 with SMTP id w127mr1594458wmf.3.1473678865263; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (mail-relay15.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de. [130.83.156.239]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b1si261189wmg.0.2016.09.12.04.14.25 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de designates 130.83.156.239 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.83.156.239; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de designates 130.83.156.239 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de Received: from fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.2.21]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/HRZ/PMX) with ESMTP id u8CBELQT020524; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:14:21 +0200 (envelope-from stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.2.209]) by fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id u8CBEL70007040; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:14:21 +0200 Received: by fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (Postfix, from userid 11003) id 3563F1A5675; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:14:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:14:21 +0200 From: Thomas Streicher To: Andrej Bauer Cc: Martin Escardo , "HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [HoTT] Meta-conjecture about MLTT Message-ID: <20160912111420.GA14499@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <5fb00299-f5c6-c63c-aade-a688ba2e5f4b@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-PMX-TU: seen v1.2 by 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2016.9.12.110617 X-PMX-RELAY: outgoing I am afraid this skeleton model is not split and spliiting it it wan't be a skeleton anymore. Thomas On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:02:24PM +0200, Andrej Bauer wrote: > Let me try. > > Consider the model of MLTT in the skeleton of sets, i.e., types are > interpreted as cardinal numbers and functions are the set-theoretic > functions between cardinals. The identity type is just what you'd > expect in a set-theoretic model (in fact, there is *no* choice about > i). There are no problems of coherence anywhere. > > This model validates equality reflection. If MLTT+reflection > distinguished isomorphic types, then there would exist in this model > two isomorphic types which are not equal, but since we started with a > skeleton this will not do. > > It is a bit amusing that the model also validates things like Id(U, > Nat -> Nat, Nat -> Bool) and is thus quite educational. > > It is a model, right? > > With kind regards, > > Andrej >