From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Received: by 10.25.223.70 with SMTP id q6mr3258491lfj.6.1493808912081; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: homotopytypetheory@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.46.88.82 with SMTP id x18ls194729ljd.9.gmail; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.46.5.76 with SMTP id 73mr2982936ljf.26.1493808910823; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (mail-relay15.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de. [130.83.156.239]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4si22052wmf.2.2017.05.03.03.55.10 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 May 2017 03:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de designates 130.83.156.239 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.83.156.239; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de designates 130.83.156.239 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de Received: from fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.2.21]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/HRZ/PMX) with ESMTP id v43AtAHt014526; Wed, 3 May 2017 12:55:10 +0200 (envelope-from stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.2.209]) by fb04281.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id v43At9ES025436; Wed, 3 May 2017 12:55:09 +0200 Received: by fb04209.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de (Postfix, from userid 11003) id DEA0C1A0B54; Wed, 3 May 2017 12:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 12:55:09 +0200 From: Thomas Streicher To: Martin Escardo Cc: "HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [HoTT] Does MLTT have "or"? Message-ID: <20170503105509.GB12588@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-PMX-TU: seen v1.2 by 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2017.5.3.104816 X-PMX-RELAY: outgoing > (4) What is a model of intensional MLTT with a universe such that > ||-|| doesn't exist? In my 1992 TCS paper I have constructed an impredicative universe within Asm(K_1) (separated objects of effective topos) which is not reflective. The universe consists of all powers of N together with the initial object. All its elements are empty or contain infinitely many global elements. But or is definable `a la Russel-Prawitz. Thomas