From: Martin Escardo <escardo...@googlemail.com>
To: "HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Meta-conjecture about MLTT
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:47:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5fb00299-f5c6-c63c-aade-a688ba2e5f4b@googlemail.com> (raw)
In MLTT with equality reflection, we cannot distinguish isomorphic types.
There was some agreement regarding this in previous discussions here in
this list in the past (I think).
But I don't think we actually saw a proof (have we?). As far as I
understand, we only saw that natural attempts to distinguish examples of
isomorphic types fail. There was some invokation of realizability models
to try to justify this. But I am not (yet) convinced by the arguments I
have seen so far.
Nevertheless, I am convinced that equality reflection in MLTT cannot be
used to distinguish any particular pair of isomorphic types. (Prove me
wrong.)
The meta-task is to either produce two isomorphic types in an empty
context, together with a property that one of them provably has but the
other doesn't, or to show that this is impossible.
I am strongly inclined to think that this is impossible: that so-called
extensional MLTT cannot distinguish isomorphic types.
In particular, equality-reflection has nothing whatsoever to do 5with
elementwise equality.
Of course, what makes this difficult is that MLTT with equality
reflection is inconsistent with univalence.
Martin
next reply other threads:[~2016-09-11 20:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-11 20:47 Martin Escardo [this message]
2016-09-11 22:08 ` [HoTT] " Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2016-09-11 22:26 ` Martin Escardo
2016-09-12 9:11 ` Thomas Streicher
2016-09-12 5:20 ` Andrew Polonsky
2016-09-12 5:59 ` [HoTT] " Jason Gross
2016-09-12 9:55 ` Andrew Polonsky
2016-09-12 10:07 ` Andrew Polonsky
2016-09-12 10:35 ` Nicolai Kraus
2016-09-12 10:16 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2016-09-12 10:44 ` [HoTT] " Nicolai Kraus
2016-09-12 11:02 ` Andrej Bauer
2016-09-12 11:14 ` Thomas Streicher
2016-09-12 11:23 ` Andrew Polonsky
2016-09-12 11:41 ` Thomas Streicher
2016-09-12 12:47 ` Thomas Streicher
2016-09-12 13:01 ` Martin Escardo
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