From: Corlin Fardal <fardalcorlin@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [HoTT] Re: 1D Mu Type
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
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I’m pretty sure I had actually read the HIITs paper before, but I’d
completely forgotten about it. Reading back through it it’s kind of amazing
that I had, considering how much it manages to do very simply. I’d also
read the QIITs paper, but, like I did with the IITs paper, gotten lost in
the category-theoretical brushes, and ended up missing the fact that a
quotient construction would require AC, though I'm not entirely surprised
by that, I kind of figured it might. I did further know about the
construction by Lumsdaine and Shulman, but I wasn't entirely certain if
that applied to my construction, it's been a while since I've read that
section of the paper, but as far as I can recall they didn't provide the
actual definition of the HIT, so while I knew that it would be impossible
to construct any HIT from quotients, I thought that the subset I had
created a Mu type for might still be constructible, and not contain their
HIT.
I have a few questions/comments about Kovács' version. First of all, is the
Empty constructor necessary? It seems like we could replace it with Const
empty, and replace exfalso with a lifted function. Additionally I'm kind of
struggling to understand what the path algebra in the definition of Section
is actually doing, is there a simple explanation? Also, though this doesn't
really matter, why is the path
algebra on the left side of the equation, instead of the right? It feels
like the computation rules essentially define induction, so it feels like
the left side should say "this is the application
of the function," and the right should say "this is the value of that
application". Additionally, as one last little nitpick, my name's Fardal
not Fardar, as thecomment at the top of the file
says, though that really doesn't matter much. However, despite all of my
nitpicks/confusions, I really like your version of it. The reformulation of
the lambda term feels obvious but
clever, and I'm kind of mad at myself for not coming up with it, seeing as
one of the problems I was having was defining a quotient type in my
version. I also like the connection made
between the all function and the coerce function, I didn't realize the
connection there, as, at the very least, the two functions needed to finish
the computation rules. In general I like the
method of building from the algebras to the displayed algebras to the
sections, it gives the Mu type at the end a very nice definition. The names of
the sections sound algebraic, but I'm
actually not quite sure what they mean. I mean, I know what an algebra is,
I'm relatively well versed in the categorical semantics of at least simple
inductive types, but what are
displayed algebras, or displayed algebra sections? Displayed algebras seem
to have at least some connection to the fibred algebras of the Higher Inductive
Types as Homotopy-Initial
Algebras paper, and I have some idea of what sections are, but is there
anything deeper that I don't know about?
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go mess around with the HIIT paper's
system and Kovác's version of my system to see if I can't understand both
of them more, along with HITs
in general.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-22 2:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-18 21:30 [HoTT] " Corlin Fardal
2018-08-21 11:12 ` [HoTT] " Niels van der Weide
2018-08-21 11:20 ` András Kovács
2018-08-22 1:49 ` Corlin Fardal
2018-08-22 13:05 ` András Kovács
2018-08-22 2:27 ` Corlin Fardal [this message]
2018-08-22 23:54 ` Corlin Fardal
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