Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Floris van Doorn <fpvdoorn@gmail.com>
To: Ali Caglayan <alizter@gmail.com>
Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Euler characteristic of a type
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 00:36:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAwvomnDbFQZYXtoysPNR46g4QsKrHmrppQo9CRSXHKgsC4hHw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02f4bad3-496e-443a-8607-9a6f37fa878e@googlegroups.com>

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Clearly we cannot define E on the whole universe, but only on a
subuniverse.
For example, we could define it on the subuniverse of types with finitely
generated homology groups. For the Euler characteristic we will also need
that the betti numbers are eventually 0. Other than that, I agree that
these properties should hold in HoTT.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 21:11, Ali Caglayan <alizter@gmail.com> wrote:

> We currently have enough machinary to (kind of) define Betti numbers (for
> homology see Floris van Doorn's thesis
> <http://florisvandoorn.com/papers/dissertation.pdf>). I am confident that
> soon we can start compting Betti numbers of some types. This would allow us
> to define the euler characterstic E : U --> N of a type. If classical
> algebraic topology tells us anything this will satisfy a lot of neat
> identities.
>
> In fact consider U as a semiring with + and * as the operations. E is a
> semiring homomorphism to N (the initial semiring (is this relavent?)). In
> other words we should have
>
> E(X + Y) = E(X) + E(Y)
> E(X * Y) = E(X)  E(Y)
>
> and even maybe, subject to some conditions, a given type family P : X -->
> U would satisfy E( (x : X) * P(x) ) = E(X) * E(P(x_0))
>
> This would be a cool invariant to have. Unfortunately as it stands,
> homology is a bit unwieldy. Perhaps rationalising spaces would help?
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-17 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-17 19:11 Ali Caglayan
2018-09-17 22:36 ` Floris van Doorn [this message]
2018-09-17 23:07   ` Ali Caglayan
2018-09-18  6:25     ` Michael Shulman
2018-09-18 10:54       ` Ali Caglayan
2018-09-18 16:13         ` Michael Shulman
2018-09-18 19:11           ` Ali Caglayan
2018-09-19  0:04           ` Ali Caglayan
2018-09-19  3:52             ` Michael Shulman

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