From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Received: by 10.157.19.17 with SMTP id f17mr15454747ote.33.1473678147758; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: homotopytypetheory@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.36.105.148 with SMTP id e142ls3065069itc.17.canary; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.231.104 with SMTP id tf8mr15323455pac.15.1473678145902; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w132si1074829ywg.1.2016.09.12.04.02.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of andrej...@andrej.com) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass head...@andrej-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of andrej...@andrej.com) smtp.mailfrom=andrej...@andrej.com Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id w204so137656838qka.0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=andrej-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e8+j11eLr3LHOifyrAfSm/o8k/R0KI095KJ/FFrhmGA=; b=1KqRHmIAFZlCMrGubTZ8D2O3yGZ4/eLRdgefTLcWFHgrZ4xb67wmis9GRtvBUN7x8l Puxelykt2cwrty+4CoTgxzYuOYCgBifz2LGeM7pWMmlOloqtdnia/9R3m8XGH95sdTO5 ymXzsD3odQDT931AWstgv3a1SoRCut7g8gkcmzPPks4sZVnl/nd1jxbBWtYnoKk2la/W i8+jkFYSaczvw4dStjDxXB6HTaWZaX7e39HrzDP9kEB1FKJiyyo6WpH4S8O7W6EvzCTD 5DZoUGZA396En0dEeZctjubeHwmTzEMu4Ouj9RUNcpbUPB9jlu3GLbhstDLhJWXA9+xI p3GQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwO285HMP4c85l0Ws5d1LVGJPt8ex0ntgRFe6o8Wn4Ve6iOP34RJhUQ0LDNM4Yfg1Ht4FpoRV4xavfilWQ== X-Received: by 10.55.178.69 with SMTP id b66mr18308254qkf.146.1473678145426; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.53.70 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5fb00299-f5c6-c63c-aade-a688ba2e5f4b@googlemail.com> References: <5fb00299-f5c6-c63c-aade-a688ba2e5f4b@googlemail.com> From: Andrej Bauer Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:02:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [HoTT] Meta-conjecture about MLTT To: Martin Escardo , "HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Let me try. Consider the model of MLTT in the skeleton of sets, i.e., types are interpreted as cardinal numbers and functions are the set-theoretic functions between cardinals. The identity type is just what you'd expect in a set-theoretic model (in fact, there is *no* choice about i). There are no problems of coherence anywhere. This model validates equality reflection. If MLTT+reflection distinguished isomorphic types, then there would exist in this model two isomorphic types which are not equal, but since we started with a skeleton this will not do. It is a bit amusing that the model also validates things like Id(U, Nat -> Nat, Nat -> Bool) and is thus quite educational. It is a model, right? With kind regards, Andrej