From: Nicola Gambino <N.Gambino@leeds.ac.uk> To: Michael Shulman <shulman@sandiego.edu> Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [HoTT] Papers on constructive simplicial homotopy theory Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:55:38 +0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <D49A1FEA-4CE1-448F-97A8-46065AF9E7B6@leeds.ac.uk> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAOvivQzEtgcx15UZrpos+ch8TCKsnQSotvpK5oEVO2EVD160eQ@mail.gmail.com> [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2963 bytes --] Dear Mike, On 17 Jul 2019, at 18:56, Michael Shulman <shulman@sandiego.edu<mailto:shulman@sandiego.edu>> wrote: Most of these papers describe the situation with phrases like "we are working in the internal language of a category with finite limits" or an elementary topos with NNO, or in CZF, and by an "abuse of language" we interpret "for all x there exists a y" as referring to the giving of a function assigning a y to each x. But wouldn't it be more precise and less abusive to just work in dependent type theory with Sigma and Id types, and sometimes Pi and Nat, and use the untruncated propositions-as-types logic where "for all x there exists a y" literally means Pi(x) Sigma(y) and therefore (by the "type-theoretic principle of non-choice") automatically induces a function assigning a y to each x? That would also allow asking and answering the question of how much UIP is required -- do these model structures exist in HoTT? Thank you for your email. Your suggestion of working in a dependent type theory is interesting. I am not sure what kind of dependent type theory would be sufficient to develop these papers and what would be the best approach to the formalization (e.g. via sets-as-hsets or via sets-as-setoids). Regarding the dependent type theory, apart from basic rules, I guess one would need: - some extensionality, - propositional truncations, - pushouts, - some inductive types (for the instances of the small object argument) - at least one universe (cf. quantification over all Kan complexes). One could then keep track explicitly of which existential quantifies are to be left untruncated and which ones can be truncated, and then see if everything can be done in HoTT. Is this the kind of thing you had in mind? Another approach to avoiding the abuse of language, suggested by Andre’ Joyal, is to develop a theory of “split” weak factorisation systems, i.e. weak factorisation systems in which one has a given choice of fillers, and work with them. This would be a variant of the theory of algebraic weak factorisation systems. We are working on that. With best wishes, Nicola PS The first link in my email was incorrect. Simon Henry’s paper "Weak model categories in classical and constructive mathematics” is available at https://arxiv.org/abs/1807.02650. Dr Nicola Gambino Associate Professor in Pure Mathematics School of Mathematics, University of Leeds http://www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~pmtng/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Homotopy Type Theory" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to HomotopyTypeTheory+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/HomotopyTypeTheory/D49A1FEA-4CE1-448F-97A8-46065AF9E7B6%40leeds.ac.uk. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 14744 bytes --]

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