Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Martin Escardo <escardo.martin@gmail.com>
To: Michael Shulman <shulman@sandiego.edu>,
	Ulrik Buchholtz <ulrikbuchholtz@gmail.com>
Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Re: Foundational question about a large set of small sets
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 07:52:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b21281e6-2de2-c126-f139-b7df3107078f@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOvivQxadLL6w0FehP3owkF=HP5vr=a3tcqm3FA_hGbrcOZjqA@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, Ulrik and Mike. Thanks! Martin

On 28/02/2021 15:13, Michael Shulman wrote:
> Yes, that's it.  And I guess you are right about leaving out the
> endoequivalences at level 1.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 4:45 AM Ulrik Buchholtz
> <ulrikbuchholtz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One can then get a
>>> counter-model to "there merely exists a set that covers Set" with
>>> presheaves on X * 1.
>>
>>
>> This I didn't check. But couldn't we here instead appeal to homotopy canonicity? Since Set is a closed type, if there is a proof of the mere existence of a set cover of Set, we could extract a specific term for one, and then obtain a contradiction in the above model.
> 
> Sure, but it seems a bit overkill to appeal to a hammer like homotopy
> canonicity when a simple presheaf countermodel would suffice.
> (Although I suppose there may be people on this list to whom the
> opposite would seem true....)  The semantic argument is that in
> presheaves on any category with a terminal object, the terminal object
> is projective, and thus the "existence principle" holds: any closed
> type whose propositional truncation is true is already globally
> inhabited.  (Of course, the semantic proof of canonicity is similar,
> using projectivity of 1 in a gluing category.)
> 

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      reply	other threads:[~2021-03-01  7:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 20:33 [HoTT] " Martin Escardo
2021-02-27 10:43 ` [HoTT] " Ulrik Buchholtz
2021-02-27 23:00   ` Michael Shulman
2021-02-28 12:45     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2021-02-28 14:01       ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2021-02-28 15:13       ` Michael Shulman
2021-03-01  7:52         ` Martin Escardo [this message]

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