From: Felix Rech <s9ferech@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [HoTT] Re: Why do we need judgmental equality?
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 03:53:14 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
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Thank you all for the discussion!
One of the motivations for my question was that I actually expect usability
benefits if one worked in a dependent type theory without judgmental
equality that has good support by a proof assistant. There are primarily
two reasons for this:
1. Judgmental equality cannot be taken as assumptions. If one wants to
use judgmental equalities then one has to give concrete definitions that
satisfy those equalities and cannot hide the definition details. This makes
it impossible to change definitions later on without breaking constructions
that depend on them.
2. In nontrivial definitions, judgmental equalities seem more arbitrary
than natural. If we define addition of natural numbers for example then we
can choose between x + 0 = x and 0 + x = x as judgmental equality but we
cannot have both. This makes it hard to find the right definitions and to
predict their behavior.
Another motivation was of course that it would simplify the implementation
of proof checkers and parts of the metatheory.
I would appreciate any comments on this.
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Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-01-30 11:54 [HoTT] " Felix Rech
2019-02-05 23:00 ` [HoTT] " Matt Oliveri
2019-02-06 4:13 ` Anders Mörtberg
2019-02-09 11:55 ` Felix Rech
2019-02-16 15:59 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-17 1:25 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-17 7:56 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-17 9:14 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-17 9:18 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-17 10:52 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-17 11:35 ` streicher
2019-02-17 11:44 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-17 14:24 ` Bas Spitters
2019-02-17 19:36 ` Thomas Streicher
2019-02-17 21:41 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-17 12:08 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-17 12:13 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-20 0:22 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-17 14:22 ` [Agda] " Andreas Abel
2019-02-17 9:05 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-17 13:29 ` Nicolai Kraus
2019-02-08 21:19 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2019-02-08 23:31 ` Valery Isaev
2019-02-09 1:41 ` Nicolai Kraus
2019-02-09 8:04 ` Valery Isaev
2019-02-09 1:58 ` Jon Sterling
2019-02-09 8:16 ` Valery Isaev
2019-02-09 1:30 ` Nicolai Kraus
2019-02-09 11:38 ` Thomas Streicher
2019-02-09 13:29 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-09 13:40 ` Théo Winterhalter
2019-02-09 11:57 ` Felix Rech
2019-02-09 12:39 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2019-02-11 6:58 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-18 17:37 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2019-02-18 19:22 ` Licata, Dan
2019-02-18 20:23 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2019-02-09 11:53 ` Felix Rech [this message]
2019-02-09 14:04 ` Nicolai Kraus
2019-02-09 14:26 ` Gabriel Scherer
2019-02-09 14:44 ` Jon Sterling
2019-02-09 20:34 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-11 12:17 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 13:04 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-11 15:09 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 17:20 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-11 18:17 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-11 18:45 ` Alexander Kurz
2019-02-11 22:58 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-12 2:09 ` Jacques Carette
2019-02-12 11:03 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-12 15:36 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-12 15:59 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 19:27 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 21:49 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-12 9:01 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-12 17:54 ` Michael Shulman
2019-02-13 6:37 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-13 10:01 ` Ansten Mørch Klev
2019-02-11 20:11 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 8:23 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 13:03 ` Jon Sterling
2019-02-11 13:22 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 13:37 ` Jon Sterling
2019-02-11 6:51 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-09 12:30 ` [HoTT] " Thorsten Altenkirch
2019-02-11 7:01 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 8:04 ` Valery Isaev
2019-02-11 8:28 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 8:37 ` Matt Oliveri
2019-02-11 9:32 ` Rafaël Bocquet
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