[Howm-eng 98] synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[Howm-eng 98] synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[areiner]

Hello,

only recently did I start to use howm, and it seems that this will
turn out a very valuable tool for me to use with just the right mix of
functionality and simplicity - thanks a lot!

However, there are a few points that I am not so clear about, and my
fluency in elisp is rather poor.  I am not quite sure whether this
mailing list is still alive and the right place to ask questions about
howm, so I will just try with the most pressing thing first:

- I need to be using howm on several different computers, without any
  network connection between them most of the time.  Am I correct in
  assuming that it is sufficient for me to simply synchronize the
  various `howm-directory`s, and to copy any changes between the
  accounts without relying on emacs/howm itself?  For this I would
  probably use a revision control system, probably darcs.

- The thread on "Separating work and personal", and
  <http://sourceforge.jp/projects/howm/lists/archive/eng/2008/000059.html>
  in particular, make me suspect that I also have to take care of the
  various `howm-keyword-file`s.  But the contents of
  `howm-keyword-file` should actually be a function of the files
  contained under howm-directory, so that it seems reasonable to me to
  re-generate the keyword file afresh after pulling the changed notes.
  As this should be little more than a `grep >>>`, this should not be
  too slow (at least for now).

  So what is the easiest way to re-generate `howm-keyword-file`?  My
  impression is that it should be sufficient to delete the file
  whenever there are changes to it.

Thanks a lot in advance for any light you can shed on this question!

Albert.

[Howm-eng 99] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[vukini]

Hi,

I found a solution that works pretty well for me. 

I changed the howm-directory variable in howm-vars.el to my shared network/cloud folder on Dropbox.

Then recompiled the file. 

Now I have howm synchronised on about 4 different machines and it works great.

if you don't have a network, simply sync the howm folder with all you data on it betwen machines I think would work. 

regards,

Vid



On Sep 22, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Albert Reiner <areiner at tph.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> only recently did I start to use howm, and it seems that this will
> turn out a very valuable tool for me to use with just the right mix of
> functionality and simplicity - thanks a lot!
> 
> However, there are a few points that I am not so clear about, and my
> fluency in elisp is rather poor.  I am not quite sure whether this
> mailing list is still alive and the right place to ask questions about
> howm, so I will just try with the most pressing thing first:
> 
> - I need to be using howm on several different computers, without any
>  network connection between them most of the time.  Am I correct in
>  assuming that it is sufficient for me to simply synchronize the
>  various `howm-directory`s, and to copy any changes between the
>  accounts without relying on emacs/howm itself?  For this I would
>  probably use a revision control system, probably darcs.
> 
> - The thread on "Separating work and personal", and
>  <http://sourceforge.jp/projects/howm/lists/archive/eng/2008/000059.html>
>  in particular, make me suspect that I also have to take care of the
>  various `howm-keyword-file`s.  But the contents of
>  `howm-keyword-file` should actually be a function of the files
>  contained under howm-directory, so that it seems reasonable to me to
>  re-generate the keyword file afresh after pulling the changed notes.
>  As this should be little more than a `grep >>>`, this should not be
>  too slow (at least for now).
> 
>  So what is the easiest way to re-generate `howm-keyword-file`?  My
>  impression is that it should be sufficient to delete the file
>  whenever there are changes to it.
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance for any light you can shed on this question!
> 
> Albert.
> 
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[Howm-eng 100] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[areiner]

Hi Vidyuth,

thanks for your speedy reply!

[Vidyuth Kini <vukini at gmail.com>, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:55:04 +0400]:
> I changed the howm-directory variable in howm-vars.el to my shared
> network/cloud folder on Dropbox.

Dropbox would not work for me due to the lack of a network connection
most of the time.

> if you don't have a network, simply sync the howm folder with all
> you data on it betwen machines I think would work.

So I take it you don't synchronize the keywords file, without any
adverse effects?

Thanks a lot for your help!  Regards,

Albert.

[Howm-eng 101] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[khi]

Hi, Albert-san.

`howm-keyword-file` (~/.howm-keys) is necessary for come-from link "<<<".

I added re-generation of it to howm-test120923
(http://howm.sourceforge.jp/a/howm-test.tar.gz),
that should be released as howm-1.4.1 later.
You can simply delete it when you need re-generation.

Please let me know if you have a trouble with this feature.
Thanks for your suggestion :-)

-- 
khi at users.sourceforge.jp

[Howm-eng 102] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[areiner]

Hello,

thanks a lot for the new version!

[khi at users.sourceforge.jp, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:51:53 +0900]:
> I added re-generation of it to howm-test120923
> (http://howm.sourceforge.jp/a/howm-test.tar.gz),
> that should be released as howm-1.4.1 later.
> You can simply delete it when you need re-generation.
> 
> Please let me know if you have a trouble with this feature.
> Thanks for your suggestion :-)

No trouble at all.  However, I thought I should let you know that
deleting the keyword file *after* howm was started triggers the
message

       find-file-noselect: File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!

rather than re-generation.  No problem at all for me, but it might be
surprising in other situations, and I don't know whether it was
intended to work this way.

Thanks again, and best regards -

Albert.

[Howm-eng 103] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[khi]

Hi. thx for your information.

Would you tell me the steps to reproduce this problem?
I couldn't observe the message
"find-file-noselect: File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!"
in a brief trial.

--
khi at users.sourceforge.jp

[Howm-eng 104] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[areiner]

Hi,

sorry for the delay:

[khi at users.sourceforge.jp, Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:37:50 +0900]:
> Would you tell me the steps to reproduce this problem?
> I couldn't observe the message
> "find-file-noselect: File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!"
> in a brief trial.

very simple:

$ emacs -q    --- do not load ~/.emacs etc.

evaluate just my howm-specific settings in ~/.emacs:

  (setq howm-directory "~/.howm/"
        howm-list-recent-days 10
        howm-menu-schedule-days 20
        howm-menu-schedule-days-before 7)
  (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/howm/")
  (require 'howm)

C-c , ,     --- show howm menu
q           --- quit howm menu

$ rm ~/.howm-keys

C-c , ,     --- attempt to display howm menu again
--->  "File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!"

HTH,

Albert.

[Howm-eng 105] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[areiner]

Sorry, I forgot to add my Emacs version: I am using howm with

    GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) of 2004-03-06 on willehalm

running under:

    Linux willehalm 2.4.24 #7 Wed Jun 2 00:11:16 CEST 2004 i686
    GenuineIntel unknown GNU/Linux

Regards,

Albert.


[Albert Reiner <areiner at tph.tuwien.ac.at>, 08 Oct 2012 09:19:56 +0200]:
> Hi,
> 
> sorry for the delay:
> 
> [khi at users.sourceforge.jp, Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:37:50 +0900]:
> > Would you tell me the steps to reproduce this problem?
> > I couldn't observe the message
> > "find-file-noselect: File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!"
> > in a brief trial.
> 
> very simple:
> 
> $ emacs -q    --- do not load ~/.emacs etc.
> 
> evaluate just my howm-specific settings in ~/.emacs:
> 
>   (setq howm-directory "~/.howm/"
>         howm-list-recent-days 10
>         howm-menu-schedule-days 20
>         howm-menu-schedule-days-before 7)
>   (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/howm/")
>   (require 'howm)
> 
> C-c , ,     --- show howm menu
> q           --- quit howm menu
> 
> $ rm ~/.howm-keys
> 
> C-c , ,     --- attempt to display howm menu again
> --->  "File ~/.howm-keys no longer exists!"
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Albert.

[Howm-eng 111] Re: synchronizing howm notes over several computers

[khi]

Hi. Albert-san.

At 09 Oct 2012 11:17:29 +0200,
Albert Reiner wrote:
>     GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) of 2004-03-06 on willehalm

In Emacs 23.2.1, it only causes a warning with no actual harm.
So, I won't fix this "no longer exists" problem.

| File ~/elisp/howm/sample/.howm-keys no longer exists!
| Saving file /home/hira/elisp/howm/sample/.howm-keys...
| Wrote /home/hira/elisp/howm/sample/.howm-keys
| Generating /home/hira/elisp/howm/sample/.howm-keys ...

I released howm-1.4.1 with re-generation of .howm-keys.
Thanks for your suggestion!

-- 
khi at users.sourceforge.jp