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* [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part
@ 2025-01-15 22:15 Peter Tribble
  2025-01-16  7:10 ` Joshua M. Clulow via illumos-discuss
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One of my other interests is sustainability. So I thought I would take a
look at what https://www.websitecarbon.com/ thought of some of the
websites associated with the project - just the home page of each.

tribblix.org - A+  - 0.00g CO2 per visit (actually 0.002g, I think)
  better than 100% of all websites

openindiana.org - A+ - 0.01g CO2 per visit
  better than 99% of all websites

illumos.org - A+ - 0.04g CO2 per visit
  better than 96% of all websites

smartos - A -  - 0.17g CO2 per visit
  better than 83% of all websites

omnios.org - B - 0.28g CO2 per visit
  better than 69% of all websites

oxide - C - 0.38g CO2 per visit
  better than 61% of all websites

The methodology is pretty suspect, but overall we're a lot better than most
of the websites out there.

In isolation, you can't take the numbers too seriously, but they provide
food
for thought.

Both the omnios and oxide scores are pulled down by not being hosted
someplace that uses a renewable source of electricity (at least, so far as
websitecarbon can tell). And even looking at the oxide home page, it's
pretty
big (but that isn't necessarily bad, there's a lot of information and
there's also
a design tradeoff between having multiple small pages and a few large ones).

I think I've managed to get the Tribblix website adequately lightweight!

-- 
-Peter Tribble
http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/

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* Re: [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part
  2025-01-15 22:15 [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part Peter Tribble
@ 2025-01-16  7:10 ` Joshua M. Clulow via illumos-discuss
  2025-01-16  8:32 ` Sad Clouds
  2025-01-16 18:15 ` Till Wegmueller
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From: Joshua M. Clulow via illumos-discuss @ 2025-01-16  7:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: illumos-discuss

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 14:16, Peter Tribble <peter.tribble@gmail.com> wrote:
> illumos.org - A+ - 0.04g CO2 per visit
>   better than 96% of all websites

I guess there's something to be said for having written the front page
HTML by hand!  I'm sure if you point it at, say, the bug tracker, it
probably costs a lot more.


Cheers.

-- 
Joshua M. Clulow
http://blog.sysmgr.org

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* Re: [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part
  2025-01-15 22:15 [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part Peter Tribble
  2025-01-16  7:10 ` Joshua M. Clulow via illumos-discuss
@ 2025-01-16  8:32 ` Sad Clouds
  2025-01-16 18:15 ` Till Wegmueller
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From: Sad Clouds @ 2025-01-16  8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: illumos-discuss; +Cc: Peter Tribble

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:15:54 +0000
Peter Tribble <peter.tribble@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I've managed to get the Tribblix website adequately lightweight!

Years ago I implemented an HTTP parser in C for a small embedded web
server. It was a pain to say the least. Parsing ASCII text must be the
most inefficient way to implement any sort of protocol. I often
wondered how much networking and processing bandwidth could be saved if
SMTP, HTTP, HTML, XML, JavaScript, and other ASCII constructs were
allowed to die peacefully and people moved on to binary only protocols.

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* Re: [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part
  2025-01-15 22:15 [discuss] Sustainability, at least the website part Peter Tribble
  2025-01-16  7:10 ` Joshua M. Clulow via illumos-discuss
  2025-01-16  8:32 ` Sad Clouds
@ 2025-01-16 18:15 ` Till Wegmueller
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From: Till Wegmueller @ 2025-01-16 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: discuss

Considering that I am using the heavy CSS framework tailwindcss for 
openindiana.org without any optimization at all I am happy about that 
result. Hetzner Finland seems to have a good Carbon score then. Good to 
know the whole CI is also carbon friendly then.

PR for improvements to the Website gladly welcome here: 
https://github.com/openindiana/website

-Till

On 15.01.25 23:15, Peter Tribble wrote:
> One of my other interests is sustainability. So I thought I would take a
> look at what https://www.websitecarbon.com/ 
> <https://www.websitecarbon.com/> thought of some of the
> websites associated with the project - just the home page of each.
> 
> tribblix.org <http://tribblix.org> - A+  - 0.00g CO2 per visit (actually 
> 0.002g, I think)
>    better than 100% of all websites
> 
> openindiana.org <http://openindiana.org> - A+ - 0.01g CO2 per visit
>    better than 99% of all websites
> 
> illumos.org <http://illumos.org> - A+ - 0.04g CO2 per visit
>    better than 96% of all websites
> 
> smartos - A -  - 0.17g CO2 per visit
>    better than 83% of all websites
> 
> omnios.org <http://omnios.org> - B - 0.28g CO2 per visit
>    better than 69% of all websites
> 
> oxide - C - 0.38g CO2 per visit
>    better than 61% of all websites
> 
> The methodology is pretty suspect, but overall we're a lot better than most
> of the websites out there.
> 
> In isolation, you can't take the numbers too seriously, but they provide 
> food
> for thought.
> 
> Both the omnios and oxide scores are pulled down by not being hosted
> someplace that uses a renewable source of electricity (at least, so far as
> websitecarbon can tell). And even looking at the oxide home page, it's 
> pretty
> big (but that isn't necessarily bad, there's a lot of information and 
> there's also
> a design tradeoff between having multiple small pages and a few large ones).
> 
> I think I've managed to get the Tribblix website adequately lightweight!
> 
> -- 
> -Peter Tribble
> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ <http://www.petertribble.co.uk/> - 
> http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ <http://ptribble.blogspot.com/>
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