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charset=utf-8; format=flowed And the SoftwareManagementCenter python2 .. so not easy to digest as well = .. As I wrote in a different posting .. there is something for everyone ne= w joining the illumos/OpenIndiana/Tribblix (well if Peter allows :-)) worl= d with skills and wanting to help :-) Though wireless would be lovely for = those of us in a "mobile" world (and yes there are artifacts and I think e= ven some old drivers in OI) :-) Cheers Iggi Peter Tribble schrieb am 30. Juli 2024 um 19:08: On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:00= AM nsgnkhibdk2cls0f via illumos-discuss < discuss@lists.illumos.org > wro= te: Thank you for clarification. But the overall experience with OpenIndia= na live usb is still very bad. You should have a look at it and do somethi= ng to improve the performance. Historically, OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Solar= is, based on the Caiman installer, have typically taken about twice as lon= g as Ubuntu (which is probably a fair comparison out of the available Linu= x distros). I did some comparisons back in OpenSolaris, and I don't know w= hether there's been significant change in that ratio. Certainly the recent= Debian installs I've done have been horribly slow. While OmniOS and Tribb= lix are very very much quicker, I'm not entirely sure how much of that wor= k translates directly to OpenIndiana - with different targets in mind we c= an optimize in very different directions, and both those distros wrote som= ething from scratch. A couple of the things I have in my old notes last ti= me I looked at this (I haven't done a regular OpenIndiana install for some= years now): 1. As the live environment is absolutely static, certain thin= gs could be precalculated ahead of time. I think it has to calculate the l= ists of files to transfer, which seems wasteful to do each time. 2. One us= eful trick I do in Tribblix, again based on the notion that you know preci= sely what the install environment looks like, is to pregenerate the full S= MF respository (by doing a test boot and saving off the repository.db. it'= s going to be the same every time) so as to avoid waiting for SMF import a= t first boot, which can save a bit [especially in some virtualized environ= ments where manifest import seems to run abnormally slowly]. But one of th= e snags is that there isn't a great deal of understanding of the live boot= and installer internals. Being a good perl programmer many decades ago ga= ve me Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris, and after spending a few minutes t= rying to work out what Caiman was doing I decided it was too complicated f= or me so I wrote all the tools for Tribblix from scratch in a fraction of = the time. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribb= le.blogspot.com/ illumos / illumos-discuss / see discussions + participant= s + delivery options Permalink --Apple-Webmail-42--bb195632-1a56-46df-a3cc-975d6c55dc82 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Webmail-86--bb195632-1a56-46df-a3cc-975d6c55dc82 --Apple-Webmail-86--bb195632-1a56-46df-a3cc-975d6c55dc82 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8;
And the SoftwareManagementCenter python2 .. so not easy to diges= t as well ..

As I wrote in a different postin= g .. there is something for everyone new joining the illumos/OpenIndiana/T= ribblix (well if Peter allows :-)) world with skills and wanting to help := -) Though wireless would be lovely for those of us in a "mobile" world (an= d yes there are artifacts and I think even some old drivers in OI) :-)
=

Cheers

Iggi

Peter Tribble <peter.tribbl= e@gmail.com> schrieb am 30. Juli 2024 um 19:08:


On Tue, Jul 30, 202= 4 at 12:00=E2=80=AFAM nsgnkhibdk2cls0f via illumos-discuss <discuss@lists.illumos.org> wrote:=

Thank you for clarification.= But the overall experience with OpenIndiana live usb is still very bad. Y= ou should have a look at it and do something to improve the performance.

Historically, OpenSolaris/O= penIndiana/Solaris, based on the Caiman installer, have
typi= cally taken about twice as long as Ubuntu (which is probably a fair compar= ison
out of the available Linux distros). I did some co= mparisons back in OpenSolaris, and
I don't know whether ther= e's been significant change in that ratio. Certainly the recent
<= div>Debian installs I've done have been horribly slow.
While OmniOS and Tribblix are very very much quicker, I'm not entirely su= re how much
of that work translates directly to OpenIndiana = - with different targets in mind we can
optimize in ver= y different directions, and both those distros wrote something from scratc= h.
A couple of the things I have in my old notes last = time I looked at this (I haven't
done a regular OpenIndiana = install for some years now):

1. As the live e= nvironment is absolutely static, certain things could be precalculated
=
ahead of time. I think it has to calculate the lists of files t= o transfer, which seems
wasteful to do each time.
2. One useful trick I do in Tribblix, again based on the no= tion that you know precisely
what the install environment lo= oks like, is to pregenerate the full SMF respository
(b= y doing a test boot and saving off the repository.db. it's going to be the= same every
time) so as to avoid waiting for SMF import at f= irst boot, which can save a bit [especially
in some virtuali= zed environments where manifest import seems to run abnormally slowly].
But one of the snags is that there isn't a great deal of= understanding of the live
boot and installer internals. Bei= ng a good perl programmer many decades ago
gave me Laziness,= Impatience, and Hubris, and after spending a few minutes
trying to work out what Caiman was doing I decided it was too complicat= ed
for me so I wrote all the tools for Tribblix from scratch= in a fraction of the time.

--
-Peter Tribble

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