Re: [discuss] Xserver: HAL still needed ?

Re: [discuss] Xserver: HAL still needed ?

[Peter Tribble]

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I can't speak for current Solaris, but Xorg on illumos definitely needs hal.

(Otherwise the mouse and keyboard don't work.)

On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 4:37 PM Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult <
info@metux.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> we're currently discussing dropping HAL support from the Xserver,
> since we didn't find any active user of it anymore. But somebody
> pointed out it might still be used in Solaris world:
> 
> https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/162#issuecomment-2983371353
> 
> Is that correct ? Shall we keep it ?
> 
> Note: I'm talking about the HAL that's once been invented at Gnome 2.
> (maybe there're other things by the same name).
> 
> thx
> --mtx
> 
> --
> ---
> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
> Free software and Linux embedded engineering
> info@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287
> 


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Re: [discuss] Xserver: HAL still needed ?

[Peter Tribble]

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 5:22 PM Eric J Bowman <mellowmutt@zoho.com> wrote:

> But the  mouse and keyboard already don't work on new hardware,
> particularly keyboard on AMD cpu's, login as root you see "R^O^O^T^" 95% of
> the time. So maybe it's time to move on from HAL and fix what's broken with
> illumos on UEFI-only boxes (w/o CSM, unless there's a PS/2 port for
> kbd/mouse).
>

You have Xorg running on such a system? As far as I know, it doesn't work
at all.
If you're on the console, HAL doesn't come into play.


> We have a different mindset on this, but I got mine from Rear Admiral
> Grace Hopper. Continuing to do things the way they've always been done for
> the sake of not changing, is not a good attitude in Computer Science and I
> think it's rendering illumos to obsolescence.
>

If we had something to move on to, then that would be fair enough. As
we don't (until someone comes up with a replacement), then removing
it and breaking every existing system we do run on is an even faster
wayto ensure obsolescence.


> -Eric
> 
> ---- On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:12:37 -0700 *Peter Tribble
> <peter.tribble@gmail.com <peter.tribble@gmail.com>>* wrote ---
> 
> I can't speak for current Solaris, but Xorg on illumos definitely needs
> hal.
> 
> (Otherwise the mouse and keyboard don't work.)
> 
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 4:37 PM Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult <
> info@metux.net> wrote:
> 
> --
> -Peter Tribble
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> Hi folks,
> 
> we're currently discussing dropping HAL support from the Xserver,
> since we didn't find any active user of it anymore. But somebody
> pointed out it might still be used in Solaris world:
> 
> https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/162#issuecomment-2983371353
> 
> Is that correct ? Shall we keep it ?
> 
> Note: I'm talking about the HAL that's once been invented at Gnome 2.
> (maybe there're other things by the same name).
> 
> thx
> --mtx
> 
> --
> ---
> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
> Free software and Linux embedded engineering
> info@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287
> 

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