From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/8424 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "harel barzilai" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Emacs Mailer Options Date: 28 Dec 2006 21:20:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1167369622.028078.31050@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1167115181.099537.35020@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <85vejxndbo.fsf@robf.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167370826 20968 80.91.229.10 (29 Dec 2006 05:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 29 06:40:22 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0ATb-0005We-IB for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:40:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0ATb-00030N-1x for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:40:19 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 82 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.123.29.157 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167369627 22827 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2006 05:20:27 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:20:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.5) Gecko/20060731 Ubuntu/dapper-security Firefox/1.5.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.123.29.157; posting-account=4nbvcQwAAAD_uQjdggUVGc7tqUVw78a7 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.vm.info:16861 comp.emacs:93482 gnu.emacs.gnus:78609 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:8424 Archived-At: newsspam5REMOVETHIS@robf.de wrote: > "harel barzilai" writes: > [...] > > Apparnetly VM and GNUS, available for GNU emacs (I don't have Xemacs > > though some day I'll look into that option, I'm not there yet with my > > ssh setup) and they both understand Maildir. > > IMHO VM does NOT understand maildir. > > Why do you think it does? > > You could also take a look at Wonderlust > http://www.gohome.org/wl/ but IMHO Gnus > is the right thing. > > Robert. Hello Robert/others... Perhaps you saw my earlier reply regarding why it appeared that VM can handle Maildir (http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/vm-faq-4.html#ss4.5) but that might have been a mis-reading of that page and I have moved on to exploring more promising leads. Mew is starting to get complicated so I am looking into gnus, which you recommended, in parallel.. To try to minimize the learning curve I found http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/section-54.html "Q4.11 Using Gnus for mail and never news" and put the (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml "")) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods nil) in my .emacs but it still asks me for NNTP when I M-x gnus...This is a dumb question I'm sure but I don't know what it wants..and I'd almost rather not know..I want to ignore nntp etc for the time being (I have vague ancient memories from 15 years ago about "rn" and "nn" etc using that..haven't been using those in 15 years..I don't want to learn that until my mail is working, see below) Second, I don't know what exactly procmail does on the system I am a user of (dreamhost.com) but they do have procmail. Does that mean I have to follow the directions on "Procmail and Gnus"? Because they indicate at "Procmail and Gnus" (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/section-51.html) "And then I have procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool" which appears to be "mbox" format rather than "Maildir" format. My question: Is that true? Because, that would be a problem, since Dreamhost.com indicates I *must* switch to maildir format from mbox (that is exactly why I am moving away from rmail!) in order to have their built-in anti-spam software work for me.. That is the most important question (in a negative sort of way..) iff the answer is that I must move away from Maildir format to use gnus for email..it's NOT enough that gnus can convert from maildir to mbox...dreamhost.com already used procmail to do that for me...the issue is I must keep mail in Maildir format in order to use dreamhost.com's built-in anti-spam..(and as I said their rules make it very dangerous for me to try to install a local copy of anti-spam on my shell..) Hope the above questions are reasonably clear. Many thanks, Harel Assuming the above two are not problems, third and last question is, is there a short simple, easy to follow guide on "how to use Gnus for just email? I don't see one at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/preamble.html and I haven't used emacs' "info" (which I suspect has a section for this) in a good decade or so, so is there a short html page? (also html is easily printable..I cannot easily print what I see in my emacs...again, I'm just using a plain text terminal program to ssh into a shell from which I run the command 'emacs'...) Thanks! Harel