From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/8458 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "harel barzilai" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Emacs Mailer Options Date: 30 Dec 2006 22:55:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1167548136.387505.230620@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1167115181.099537.35020@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <85vejxndbo.fsf@robf.de> <1167369622.028078.31050@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <87ejqilkt3.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167550818 19376 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2006 07:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 31 08:40:16 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0vIk-0002vT-Ox for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:40:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0vIk-0005bs-8R for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:40:14 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Followup-To: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 135 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.123.29.157 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167548142 4579 127.0.0.1 (31 Dec 2006 06:55:42 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:55:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.5) Gecko/20060731 Ubuntu/dapper-security Firefox/1.5.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.123.29.157; posting-account=4nbvcQwAAAD_uQjdggUVGc7tqUVw78a7 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.vm.info:16866 comp.emacs:93502 gnu.emacs.gnus:78642 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:8458 Archived-At: [removing "vm" group from "Followup-to"] Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 28 Dec 2006 21:20:22 -0800, "harel barzilai" wrote: > > To try to minimize the learning curve I found > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/section-54.html > > [...] > > Second, I don't know what exactly procmail does on the system I am a > > user of (dreamhost.com) but they do have procmail. Does that mean I > > have to follow the directions on "Procmail and Gnus"? Because they > > indicate at "Procmail and Gnus" > > (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/section-51.html) "And then I have > > procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool" which appears to be > > "mbox" format rather than "Maildir" format. My question: Is that true? > > You can deliver to Maildir folders with procmail too. The trick is to > create a Maildir folder first, and then append '/' to the folder name in > your `.procmailrc' file. > > To create an empty Maildir/ folder, you can use: > > $ mkdir -p Maildir/cur Maildir/new Maildir/tmp > $ chmod 0700 Maildir Maildir/* Do I need to do this to get gnus working? Unless I'm even more confused than I think I am ;-) I don't...the Dreamhost system already has a ~/Maildir/ and under "new" subfolder creates files like "1167545251.23134_0.looneymail-mx1" for messages. This is NEW to me since up to now I have used the "mbox" format..but the Dreamhost built-in antispam doesn't work so I'm trying to move to Maildir format...if/when I can find an emacs mail reader that handles that..gnus is bulit in so I'm trying that.. > A delivery recipe, which sends all 'FreeBSD-related' email into this > folder would look like this: > > :0 H > * Sender:.*@.*freebsd.org > Maildir/ I think I can skip this too since it's already in the shell given to me by Dreamhost.com to do this... Now things get interesting...I created a new user "user_a" in addition the user "harel" so I can experiment with learning...unfortunately I did a "M-x gnus" to try to resolve the NNTP question while still in my "harel" regular account and it sucked all existing emails (from the mbox file for the "harel" account) in my regular, "harel" account into gnus... so now I need to figure out how to use gnus in a HURRY... :-O I got " *: nndraft:draft" but it wouldn't let me hit return..which is what I thought http://my.gnus.org/tutorial/Using-Gnus.html#Using-Gnus was telling me to do to enter a group.. since the messages are old and not urgent I quit emacs..now I need to figure out how to visit the ~/Mail/mail/misc/ it created with my old 200 message WITHOUT having it suck in all new messages from my "mbox" style mail spool file...I can *probably* (he says hopefully) figure out how to do that on my own..but wondering what went wrong with my attempt to "enter group under cursor" earlier.. Let me now try M-x gnus while logged into my "usera" test account (Dreamhosts's web panel lets you create that..I still do not have sysop ability in any way...just the panel lets a dreamhost customer create another "user" ...) and see what happens with the mail there..because that "usera" account has the "Maildir" format not the "mbox" format for email. By the way both accounts/uses have in .emacs the lines (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml "")) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods nil) because the online FAQ said to use that if you want to use gnus ONLY for email not usenet (which for the time being is my wish, taking things one step at a time.. :-) Ok..I typed M-x gnus and it says "Gnus v5.9.0 (fundamental)" which makes sense to me as a longtime emacs user...and it says: "nnml: reading incoming mail from file..." and its not doing anything else...it did this for 3 or so solid minutes...I was just about to C-g out of it but finally it now says, "movemail: (1 return). Continue? (yes or no)" so I'll cross fingers and type "yes"...ok I'm now getting *: nndraft:drafts again... and I'm getting "can't select group" again when I try to hit return or space. But this time the reason must be different because my mail still sits in ~/Maildir/new/ and there is nothing in the (I think?) gnus-created ~/Mail/ for my "usera" account I guess I need to tell gnus to fetch email from the Maildir style folders in ~/Maildir/ how do I do this? And for my "harel" account, how do I get gnus to enter (and allow me to "Enter group" etc) the 200 messages now sitting in the Mail/mail/misc/ gnus created (when I accidentally told it too, I guess) earlier tonight? And is there an online tutorial that's I should follow instead of the url above? Thanks! Harel p.s. > Does their build-in antispam stuff work with your Maildir folders > *after* email has been delivered into the folder? > > If this is true, it may be tricky to get their antispam to work with > Gnus and "nnml"-style folders. You can use Gnus to read messages > *directly* from the Maildir/ folder though. I think it does it before.. guess we will find out (if I get tons of spam, at "usera" account, then I guess it means it does antispam after...but I hope/think it does antispam before depositing messges in ~/Maildir/ )